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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
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(I'm talking about countries where VAT applies to everything)

Most taxes are mandatory. VAT is not. When you buy a car, you know that, say, 10% of the price will go to the state. By paying the full price, you agree to pay that tax.
Does this apply to everything? Yes. When you buy bread, you also accept the tax on it. Someone determined not to pay taxes could start a farm and survive without buying goods subject to VAT. I’m not saying avoiding taxes would be easy, but the choice exists. It is possible, so it is not forced.
Does VAT take money away from the business owner? No. If someone offers a service for $100 and the state sets VAT at 10%, the customer pays $110. The state receives $10, and the business receives $100—the amount it wanted—so it loses nothing. By paying $110, the customer agrees to the tax.
I don’t see a problem with this.
If the business thinks nobody will pay $110, it can lower its price. The same principle still applies.
So taxes that people agree to pay are possible.

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brunogron feddit.nu brunogron@feddit.nu
Joined: 2023-07-03
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hendrik palaver.p3x.de hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
Joined: 2021-08-21
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Hmm. What's with income tax? I think I could just become unemployed and save on income tax as well? Not own any land, property, businesses, cars, money etc and those kinds of taxes wouldn't apply to me either? Is there even any mandatory tax by that definition?

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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Exactly what you read. VAT is voluntary

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Zwuzelmaus feddit.org Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-14
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Has something hacked your lemmy account?

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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Has something hacked your lemmy account?

No

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smaximov lemmy.world smaximov@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-05-31
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No

Exactly what a hacker would say.

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Communist lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
Joined: 2024-07-06
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How do you buy the stuff to start farming? The land?

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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How do you buy the stuff to start farming? The land?

Creat it yourself. Find a piece of land without tax.

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
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If the business thinks nobody will pay $110, it can lower its price. The same principle still applies. So taxes that people agree to pay are possible.

The business has to report how much items they sold and pay $10 tax per item. Sure they can lower their price, but it will come out of their earnings ... so they won't.

At the end of the day the VAT get's paid. So it's not optional.

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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If the business thinks nobody will pay $110, it can lower its price. The same principle still applies. So taxes that people agree to pay are possible. The business has to report how much items they sold and pay $10 tax per item. Sure they can lower their price, but it will come out of their earnings ... so they won't. At the end of the day the VAT get's paid. So it's not optional.

You don't need to buy items with VAT

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
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You don't need to buy items with VAT

Sure, you can just not buy an item. Or you could steal it.

But if I want to eat and not be a criminal, I have to buy items with VAT.

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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Sure, you can just not buy an item. Or you could steal it. But if I want to eat and not be a criminal, I have to buy items with VAT.

You can farm your own.

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
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You can farm your own.

You still need buy seeds, farm equipment, fuel, etc. Also of which have VAT on them. Or are you suggestion I should also build my own equipment and drill for my own oil?

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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You still need buy seeds, farm equipment, fuel, etc. Also of which have VAT on them. Or are you suggestion I should also build my own equipment and drill for my own oil?

Yes, build your own

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
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Yes, build your own

So your genius plan for avoid VAT is to basically abandon modern society. I'll take the VAT, you do you.

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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So your genius plan for avoid VAT is to basically abandon modern society. I'll take the VAT, you do you.

Yes. You can take VAT and I'll choose it too, but you can't say it is mandatory

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
#18 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yes. You can take VAT and I'll choose it too, but you can't say it is mandatory

Sure. Breathing isn't mandatary either, you only really need it if you want to stay alive.

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notSys lemmy.cafe notSys@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2026-08-28
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Sure. Breathing isn't mandatary either, you only really need it if you want to stay alive.

You don't need to buy anything to live

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
#20 · (edited) Quote Reply

You don't need to buy anything to live

Unless you want to live like a cavemen, you kind of do.

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Communist lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
Joined: 2024-07-06
#21 · (edited) Quote Reply

Creat it yourself. Find a piece of land without tax.

You have to pay for the land even if it's untaxed, which will generate income which means you'll be taxed?

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