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return2ozma
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
Not only will they continue to allow this to continue, offering no relief to borrowers, they will also eventually have to raise taxes on us borrowers in order to cover the massive social security obligations that are due to the single largest, consistent voter block-old people. The irony is the turnout rate for younger voters is usually above 75% in presidential elections but the overall voter rate for those age groups tends to hover below 30%. There is a massive amount of young people who don't bother registering and even 25% of those who are registered don't seem to care to cast their ballot. Yes, expect things to get worse. Rent and food will only get more expensive. Wages will remain flat. Jobs will disappear (AI, outsourcing to cheaper labor or because the company goes bankrupt) and all the while there is one form of debt that can't be forgiven. In many ways it's better to have a business loan go into default since you can actually clear that debt from your record. Student loans will just continue to incur interest so the government can take more of your paycheck when you do actually manage to make some money. |
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eldavi
lemmy.ml
eldavi@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Not only will they continue to allow this to continue, offering no relief to borrowers, they will also eventually have to raise taxes on us borrowers in order to cover the massive social security obligations that are due to the single largest, consistent voter block-old people. The irony is the turnout rate for younger voters is usually above 75% in presidential elections but the overall voter ...
biden made those debts non-dischargeable for life and there's something to be said about advocating to vote for his administration in the last 2 elections to address it. |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
biden made those debts non-dischargeable for life and there's something to be said about advocating to vote for his administration in the last 2 elections to address it.
Biden was one of many legislatures who passed the bill that made those debts non-dischargeable. Bush Jr signed the bill, which he alone could have vetoed, so we can just as easily blame Bush Jr for passing the legislation. You can not pin it on one legislature in the body of Congress who voted for it since it was a team effort.
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
Biden was one of many legislatures who passed the bill that made those debts non-dischargeable. Bush Jr signed the bill, which he alone could have vetoed, so we can just as easily blame Bush Jr for passing the legislation. You can not pin it on one legislature in the body of Congress who voted for it since it was a team effort. The push to make student loans "unforgivable" (non-dischargeable in...
You absolutely can blame legislators for the legislation they vote for lol |
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eldavi
lemmy.ml
eldavi@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Biden was one of many legislatures who passed the bill that made those debts non-dischargeable. Bush Jr signed the bill, which he alone could have vetoed, so we can just as easily blame Bush Jr for passing the legislation. You can not pin it on one legislature in the body of Congress who voted for it since it was a team effort. The push to make student loans "unforgivable" (non-dischargeable in...
biden spearheaded it and took all the credit for it afterwards until it became politically unpopular to do so -- we wouldn't have non discharge debt for life if biden had retired when he should have |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
biden spearheaded it and took all the credit for it afterwards until it became politically unpopular to do so -- we wouldn't have non discharge debt for life if biden had retired when he should have
Why not blame Bush Jr for not vetoing it? |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
You absolutely can blame legislators for the legislation they vote for lol
Why not blame the Executive (Bush Jr) who could've not signed the bill which would've pretty much killed it since they probably wouldn't have been able to get the 2/3 majority to override the veto? |
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eldavi
lemmy.ml
eldavi@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Why not blame Bush Jr for not vetoing it?
it would still exist if it were someone else the white house -- it would not exist if biden wasn't in congress. |
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
Why not blame the Executive (Bush Jr) who could've not signed the bill which would've pretty much killed it since they probably wouldn't have been able to get the 2/3 majority to override the veto?
Why not blame both of them? They worked together to pass this abomination, they can share the blame. You seem to be trying to absolve legislators of blame for the legislation they vote for, which is bizarre. |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
it would still exist if it were someone else the white house -- it would not exist if biden wasn't in congress.
Or someone else would've made the bill. Its not like only Biden wanted to leverage younger generations future.
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
Why not blame both of them? They worked together to pass this abomination, they can share the blame. You seem to be trying to absolve legislators of blame for the legislation they vote for, which is bizarre.
Nah, it was the result of decades of various groups pushing for it.
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
Nah, it was the result of decades of various groups pushing for it. The push to make student loans "unforgivable" (non-dischargeable in bankruptcy) was not the result of a single person, but rather a multi-decade legislative effort driven by a federal advisory commission, congressional lawmakers, and intense lobbying by the financial and student loan industries. 1. The 1970s Commission and the ...
Me: Biden should share the blame for bills that he helped pass. You: Biden is a blameless innocent angel that can't be blamed for anything. Why are you like this? Obviously he isn't the godking that personally made this happen by himself but he shares the blame. Biden was in office throughout the entirety of that timeline, you think he wasn't involved every step of the way? He's a Senator from Deleware, which is actually just banks and corporations in a trench coat. |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
Me: Biden should share the blame for bills that he helped pass. You: Biden is a blameless innocent angel that can't be blamed for anything. Why are you like this? Obviously he isn't the godking that personally made this happen by himself but he shares the blame. Biden was in office throughout the entirety of that timeline, you think he wasn't involved every step of the way? He's a Senator from ...
I never said Biden didn't share some of the blame, rather that it's a more complex and nuanced situation than what you suggested (its all Bidens fault and if he didn't exist it wouldn't have happened.)
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
I never said Biden didn't share some of the blame, rather that it's a more complex and nuanced situation than what you suggested (its all Bidens fault and if he didn't exist it wouldn't have happened.) The push to make student loans "unforgivable" (non-dischargeable in bankruptcy) was not the result of a single person, but rather a multi-decade legislative effort driven by a federal advisory co...
You are confusing me with a different user. I merely said that we can blame legislators for the legislation they pass. I literally asked "why can't we blame both" and then you said "nah", which implies that we can't blame both. |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
You are confusing me with a different user. I merely said that we can blame legislators for the legislation they pass. I literally asked "why can't we blame both" and then you said "nah", which implies that we can't blame both.
Ah, sorry. Point still stands. It's a bit more complicated than either of us suggested. They've been chipping away at student loan forgiveness for decades. |
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
Ah, sorry. Point still stands. It's a bit more complicated than either of us suggested. They've been chipping away at student loan forgiveness for decades.
Biden was in office every one of those decades. Just sayin. |
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cardboardboxfort
lemmy.world
cardboardboxfort@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
Biden was in office every one of those decades. Just sayin.
So were numerous other legislatures who helped pass it. It isn't an issue that can be pinned on one person. Had Biden not been there it would've still been passed. Stop obsessing on Biden, it makes you sound like a malfunctioning Trump-bot. |
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Microtonal_Banana
lemmy.zip
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-09-30 |
Maybe that trillion dollars in tax cuts for billionaires was a bad idea.... |
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