I'll take my downvotes now 😞

Jk, I'm on an instance that disables downvotes. Meaning folks have to write coherent comments for me to be aware they think I'm dumb/wrong/eeeeevil.

I could see tinkering with local models being a very satisfying hobby. I've always been curious about how accurate they can get on sentiment. E.g., a southern US woman saying "bless your heart" can have implied condescension while other regions it may be more of a straightforward good-faith comment; how and how well does a model get trained on that sort of thing.

I think that the kinds of people who would find the lying machine addictive would probably also find gambling mechanics in video games addictive. Also regular porn can be addictive to some people as well. I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that these specific issues are not unique to generative ai.

My sibling is trying to launch an AI music career and it drives me off a fucking cliff. No shit, one of the songs they made was used at a funeral and I nearly barfed. What’s worse, whenever I try to talk any sort of serious subject, about shit in the world, or what I’m dealing with in my personal life, their advice is to find a creative outlet Iike theirs.

Looking forward to the holidays after that banger they prompted for my birthday!

That's why the zeitgeist needs more time to settle on the perception of LLMs. It's a cool toy, but people shouldn't be getting it in their head that it gives them a shortcut to becoming a professional.

Real art comes from a person’s desire to connect with the world around them, or to try and express what they can’t using words. Either way, art is entirely human. AI makes sounds and images. It’s not art.

There’s a reason why AI is called artificial.

AI doesn’t create art.

They'd still do this even if they had the opportunity to not do it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again-- the only thing AI is good at is defrauding others. It's literally what it is trained to do.

They're great for shitposts? I thought the point of shitposts was they take no effort. Wouldn't putting an extra service in the loop just complicate it?

That was my perspective as well. Once that immediate novelty wore off I started to look at people still playing with it and wondering what they're seeing that I'm not.

But I guess people like different things. Like I hate reality TV shows, but those are plenty popular.

That's actually a really illuminating analogy.

I can't say I understand what people get out of playing with LLMs, but if they view writing code or drawing pictures like I view using a calculator then that explains a lot of the disconnect between the two camps.

I would 100% let some model draw me up a comic to shitpost without a second thought, and it by no means should be construed to mean that I wish I had chosen art for a career or a major or even a hobby.

You gotta understand what it's good for as a tool and realize it's not going to do your job for you.

The problem is that it's utility is basically correlated with your skill on a given subject because you can't reasonably hope to guide it to what you actually want if you aren't already pretty skilled. Contrarily, the perceived "benefit" or "coolness" it provides you is inversely correlated with your skill but with like 3x the slope of utility.

If you are needing to navigate a pool of text as an expert in a field, it's obscenely useful and the holes/pitfalls are super evident. The less skilled you are as a user the more magical and beneficial it all looks, which is scary.

Edit I said some of that backwards . More skill more actually useful, less skill the more it seems useful and cool but will screw you up.

Interestinger and interestinger. So you wish you could create the art (or pictures, whatever term you want to use), but the way you do it doesn't matter, so you just use the LLM because that's the easiest way to do it?

Would you normally try to soup something up in paint, or just do something else? I mean like before you could generate it with natural language.

This is basically just taking a shit on the sidewalk and leaving it there.

Yeah I've done some minor photoshop before but that isn't really the point.

It's not even that I wish I could do it. Sometimes I think of a stupid meme like the "well yes but actually no" pirate and a picture of Mr Bean and Sean Bean or something and I could let an LLM shit that side by side out instead of using meme generator and like 10 minutes of thought. Or I could just... Not. I actually haven't ever, but people who say "oh just draw it even if it's stick figures" are full of shit. If I want to make a comic I'll just do it who cares how.

Of course there is value in art, but that value doesn't come in proportion to the huge number of people studying it and it doesn't come from comics or memes either in my estimation. I don't/wouldn't use a language model for those things because I have penis envy, but rather because it's easy for dicking around. People asking for relationship advice to Claude are also not secretly wishing they had gone to school for a BS in psych.

At the risk of being dismissive, people with liberal arts or art degrees can cool their tits: basically no one is using LLMs because we secretly wish we had gone down that road, and the ones that do... Well... Bless their hearts they are a small and special minority.

Ok? So is Mimi comics and pizzacake if you ask me.

We finally have a proper rigid definition for what art is !

Why didn't anyone think of drawing the line in the sand before? I can't believe you are the first, it seems so simple now that you said it.

What a dumass response.

Accidental downvoting (esp on mobile) is pretty easy

Isn't it? It's not so uncommon for me to see a post that I had evidently downvoted without noticing.

The definition of art is insanely subjective and has been debated through out history.

Slapping a definition on it just because it suits you does nothing except show that you have no idea what art is.

The definition of art doesn’t include clankers.

"The definition of art doesn't include cameras"

• You if you were born in 1820

but whUtaBoUt mUh cAmErAs?

Fucking pathetic. Blocked.

Anecdotally, having spoken to a few people who do this; they seemed to enjoy getting results without the effort of learning the skill. Like a cheat code in a videogame. Plus the experience of playing with a new toy.

I think AI is interesting for studying emergent behavior from highly dynamic systems. I’ve looked — we humans don’t really have a formal scientific study of emergence. The subject is broke up

Wow. Now that right there. That's art.

Try getting through to them by generating a song calling them a loser.

I'm a musician, dudes come up to me like listen to this song I made, and it's obviously suno...

I call them out on it and they're like mumble mumble.

It's pretty great for learning.

I was in on Suno super early. I write my own lyrics and beats and music but couldn't record voice (poor), so I'd put it in there and it's shocking how well it works.

So I figured, let's defraud a bunch of people on Spotify and get money, and then I thought about it and was like, what kind of scumbag would do such a thing, and dropped the idea and stopped using suno.

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Wow. That's a phenomenal comment. In my human opinion. Very cogent.

the problem is that it's utility is basically inversely correlated with your skill

I've thought this exact thing too, I'm sure many of us have. AI is really you get what you give, literally. If you're educated, well read, know how to write and interact and think critically and have some technical skill, it can be massively useful.

If you don't you just get mental masturbation.

Edit:

It's like, I hate cars. I want them dead, gone, erased.

And I can acknowledge their utility.

Im not very artistic but I like singing in a choir. Im glad I had at least some exposure to music even though I can't read a lick and have a hard time finding pitch from a piano. give me a good section anchor and some solfage and im good.

Truthfully you sound like you’re trying to bring someone down who is having a good time. I’m a pro artist from before AI and doing even better now that people can being their ideas to me in a way that looks better than scratches on napkin.

AI didn’t make it so you can’t make money off music and writing. That ship sailed long ago. You do that shit for the love of the game. A human doing it makes it worth more now not less.

Oh bitch please.

I agree with you, for true art and creativity, absolutely. Maybe I mistook your post.

My read of "want to pretend to be artists" was that the people who aren't interested in learning those skills didn't become less likely to do so because of AI, but may became marginally more artistic through its usage. Then I kind of sidebarred about soul and peoples' abhorrence for AI art

What the fuck is an "AI music career"? Like, they're writing prompts for AI songs and then hoping people will pay money for this songs?

I call them no talent ass clowns.

That's what they are.

Yes. Has quite a playlist on Spotify or something like it.

You haven’t heard the songs.

In slightly more than a day, I got a working save editor generated by my local AI, a Qwen-Next model. Given a couple more years of AI development, I will be able to have some really old and obscure games remastered.

Is ai the only tool which makes a form of artwork “not count” for you or anything else?

LLMs are designed to be addictive.
If you set the settings (that should be on by default) it will be more of a tool than something that foeces you to interact with.
Examples:
Don't let them ask questions if they are not needed. You prompt it not the other way around.
Turn off compliments and ask for more negative feedback.
Make sure it doesn't pretend to be human with feelings and actual personality.

I found these pretty useful rules.

It’s tough to prevent that type of culture when art organizations aren’t even disallowing the use of AI anymore.

People looking for a get rich quick scheme. Can’t afford to live otherwise.

I think this is it. I don't think people are making music for the love of the art and all that. I think they're taking a shortcut to potentially produce some sort of side hustle. It's presumably a "make a song that sounds like a mix between artist X and artist Y," and then a fine tuning via prompts from there. We live in a generation of hustles and influencers, and AI is great for both of those things. Those things are, unfortunately, just terrible for society on the whole.

It's cool though, it'll all come to a head, and we'll see what happens!

even going to these expensive art or music schools, like juilhart, wont guaranteed your a good actor/musician, or artist. point out, like glenn howerton of isaip, hes very rigid in his acting, so hes not good elsewhere outside of his shows.(it explains why the cast so desperate to branch out like a decade ago)

I think AI can be great for this. It can make so many thing accessible to people that could not otherwise. Your example here is good and there are some legitimately fun AI songs.

The key is being able to discriminate something you've done for fun and being a serious artist. The problem becomes when people conflate something they've done as a fun hobby as being worthy of sitting next to human created art.

I've used AI to code lots of things for personal use that I wouldn't have had the time to complete otherwise. The difference is, I use them personally and don't release them as a serious software product.

part 1: https://lemmy.world/post/52423516/26039575

part 2: https://lemmy.world/post/52446320/26057464

part 3: https://lemmy.world/post/52700982/26163401

i don't know how to do lemmy compliant links