cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/46578520

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/prompt-3

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Back when I was in art school, we believed in this with all our hearts.
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Prose: Art
Prose ran through a machine : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S NOT HECKING ART!

Fuck the AI companies but come on man.

AI will never want to be fucked, therefore AI can never create art.

That's not the same thing at all though? When you provide a prompt to an AI, you're basically just feeding it instructions on what to make. I don't think anyone would ever refer to an instruction manual as art.

The standard to qualify as art is very low. The standard to qualify as worth looking at is much higher.

What about porn chatbots you prompted to really want to be fucked? 🤔

"Fuck the AI companies but..."

Love it when shills try to make their take seem reasonable.

They're faking it.

AI doesn't "make" anything. It steals. All you get when you prompt an AI, is a poor copy of an original piece that it was trained on. Otherwise, you're completely correct.

I don’t think anyone would ever refer to an instruction manual as art.

Grandma's cookbook?

That's right, I'm Mr OpenAI and I'm here to say, having your privacy violated through backdoors is A-OK!

Art is about creating emotion. AI art does create emotions/feelings (hate, anger, nausea, etc).

Literally

Power of boners.

No, no, you see AI artists do have intent to impress.

It's just that instead of impressing the girl in art class and maybe bumping genitals, they want to impress the 4chan mob and maybe get up votes.

Color does not matter, said the blind man.

Remember, AI cannot hold a copyright. That AI art you created? No you didn't, AI did and it's basically public domain.

So does posting a giant pile of diarrhea.

Go listen to Skullgrid

Well, its "skill" was built on public domain or via piracy, so its result should be public domain too.

Hell, my interpretation of the "derivative works" clause of GPL stipulates that all llm and genai products should also be gpl.

What is it and can I have a link?

most of the anti AI people are just as annoying as that.

Not really. They would need to have consciousness and drives to be faking it. The models are predicting what words would have the highest likelihood of being used in response to you telling them to tell you they want to be fucked.

It's an album by the prog-metal band "Behold the Arctopus"

And listening to it (or more realistically, reading the lyrics) will convince me of what exactly?

What about ace people?

I think a much more universial example would be that AI will never desire garlic bread

No idea. The guy who suggested you listen to it, seems to think it's the best album ever, tho- considering he named himself after it.

How about AI will never want to be loved?

The key is needing to impress people to convince them to feel a certain way about you, something that garlic bread does not capture.

So I will learn about this user at least, but I'm struggling to find the motivation.

Lol I wouldn't bother. Music lyrics rarely translate to real-world action or beliefs. So even if the music says something profound (it doesn't) it's just there to sound artistic, or go with the theme of the music. It's extremely performative.

My lactose intolerance finally makes sense.

I'm still convinced that being unable to copyright its output was always part of idea of laundering the stolen data fed in. This way it effectively self sabotages the copyrights of every company and individual using it.

Okay clanker.

Music lyrics rarely translate to real-world action or beliefs.

Good news! It's instrumental.

Well, you were very interested in doing an ad homonim attack on my perception of art, and there are challenging sections in the album skullgrid. Have a listen and see what your perspective on art is like and let me know if you're a deaf man that says "notes don't matter"

So if I could convince a model to do a frame-by-frame recreation of a specific movie, maybe change a detail here or there, then I could distribute that movie without violating copyright?

here you go

https://beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/album/skullgrid

If you need to refer to an album to make your argument, you don't have an argument.

And it's not an ad hominem to notice you're saying you can't distinguish between art and slop, it's a restatement of what you've said.

If you need to refer to an album to make your argument, you don’t have an argument.

If I need to defend myself with evidence against baseless ad homonim attacks, I don't have an argument?

to notice you’re saying you can’t distinguish between art and slop

Again, without referring to real world things like intricate albums or shitty paintings made by humans that are overrated, we can't discuss things like that, now can we?

Considering how 4chan is, a more likely outcome is that you're getting called at least 3 different slurs because someone will either hate the slop, or perceive your insecurity about being unable to do art and decide to attack you.

So what? What if i just want to create and share

They’re right though, of course

It's a counterproductive argument, though. I think it's much better if anti-AI people are the loudest. Even pro-AI zealots should prefer if most people are loudly anti-AI.

There have in fact been very successful art installations involving human waste and feces.

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Cow bingo is art.

As we all know, nobody finds any value in things made by robots.

Now excuse me while I go drive my human manufactured car on the hand-paved streets into fantasyland.

Ah yes, we use cars and therefore AI slop is art.

...need to impress the shy girl...

For some, sure. Creating art means many different things to many different people, but it always means something. Generated content has no meaning. It's just output.

People make art for themselves all the time.

Self love