I saved the Queen in Mass Effect 1, before Mass Effect 2 even came out. 😢

I tried playing ME as evil, I just couldn't do it, it wasn't fun, it wasn't interesting.

I did miss out on some of the best cut scenes though.

I played through twice, once as a paragon, once as a renegade. Paragon just felt natural, Renegade felt like I was constantly having to take half measures to prevent the worst possible outcome. Definitely not as fun.

Call me a sociopath but I played renegade every time and from what I remember it mostly doesn't change outcomes just the way you talk/act, mostly

Now knights of the old republic? THAT game you could actually be evil

More often than not I'm good in video GE's because it's clear that's what they want you to do and what they intend the story to be.

In my first playthrough, I didn't even know about that game mechanic and was all over the map for the first few, but it occurred to me fairly soon afterward that very few game publishers, if any, would sign off on most blatantly evil/psychopathic options for a protagonist. I mean, I'm sure someone pitched a SW storyline that comes close to Ani's schoolhouse slaughter fest, and yet? Nada.

Not that I prefer that as an option, just that it certainly made the "Renegade" path seem less likely as diverse in its scope, in comparison.

Though, IIRC, some of the Paragon choices did feel too ruby-lensed and blithe (what's the opposite of edgelord?), but maybe that's just me.

I think the only game I've ever managed to play evil has been Rim World.

big fan of games where a lot of options are kinda shitty for this reason. It's a lot more fun where instead of your options being "goody two shoes" or "literal Hitler," it's more like "do you support the dying monarchy because it is currently providing safety to its citizens against the forces of Chaos, or do you support the tribes that live very closely with Chaos and sometimes manage to have control of it but it can still go wild and cause great catastrophe?"

Unfortunately, it takes great writing skill to be able to have multiple factions that are understandably antagonistic towards each other without becoming simplistic caricatures. It also doesn't really move copies if your game is well-written. The wider audience only cares about simple gameplay and pretty graphics.

I'm a goody two shoes in these kinds of settings EXCEPT that I do wanna steal literally anything that isnt nailed down.

And I wanna steal stuff thats nailed down too, there just isnt a gameplay mechanic for it

Same I don't think I ever managed to play full renegade though I'm pretty sure it's required to take the renegade option and deck the jerk reporter regardless of which side you choose.

Basically how I play Kingdom Come Deliverance. Generally a good guy (except to certain butchers), but I am going to rob you mercilessly.

The children yearn for the deep drills (because they have been genetically modified to do do)

Baby shoes, human leather.

I just warp things into nonsense and send adventurers on quests.

I can’t even emotionally stomach a Joja mart play through.

You're not wrong. But I find fallout 4 easier to plan because of this. There's not enough grey area in 4. Like I usually play a good person with a grey area in New Vegas, but in FO4 that's a lot harder. So it's easier to be straight good or straight evil. They still try to make that hard but with such few options you really have to try hard to remain in the grey area. That's one of the few areas I like about FO4 is that you really only get two options, be evil or be a saint.

I liked Kotor's ability to make all the good choices but pick enough pockets to still do a dark side run.

Ehh, I still felt that was too light/dark. Like FONV you could solidly be a grey area person. Kotor gave you options but you either went left or right. It was more about needs. FO4 was very clear on your options. You could sell a child and be evil because by the time you made it to that point, you didn't need the caps. You could then kill the people you sold the child to, and then get a reward from the parents from returning said child. And the funniest part was that by then, it was a simple choice because you really don't gain anything by maxing caps.

Good because the mechanics tend to favor it e.g. Tenpenny Tower isn't as convenient a location for a home as Megaton is.

I remember in Mass Effect how you could choose to either be good or be an asshole but still good.

I don't get the mentality of people who say "Isn't this great? I can do all this shitty stuff and be a complete asshole because it's just pixels." Like of course you can, but why is that fun?

FO4 mods give some options to improve a good guy run and some evil ones too. My next playthrough is going to be modded to look like Doom with my character burning it all down. No essential characters!

I don't even mind essential characters other than Preston Garvey. My issue with FO4 is that the options are only yes or no. You can say yes and fail the mission, so there's a psuedo third option.

Unlike real life where you're unable to help anyone.

Right?

And everyone dies.

I cant help Ukraine or Isreal or however many other things are happening. I think that's the "fantasy" part.

** yeah yeah I meant Palestine but ignore the actual point I was making i guess **

"I can't help Israel." Well, that's good.

I am glad you cannot help Israel

My lil heart cannot play the joja mart rpute 💔

Because being bad is fun. Depends on the game for me but it also comes down to how well written the evil choices are etc but idk I try to do the good choice all day occasionally it's fun to play the baddie

Good, because I’m afraid I’ll miss out on story content by killing off potential quest givers or refusing to help some villager

Evil can be fun if it makes sense. I sometimes enjoy games where I find myself backed into a corner and have to do something bad to get out. Or I find myself genuinely drawn to the power that an evil choice tempts me with. Or circumstances beyond my character's control compel them to use The Evil to get things done. It can make for an immersive and nuanced story.

The problem is if the "evil" path is more just "asshole" or "kills everyone in sight" then I tend to find it less fun.

I just felt less like a sith lord and more like a douchebag most of the time in Kotor.

You can help Israel if you want to. It's actually quite easy to help Israel all you have to do is get into politics, and then proceed to take all the bribes they give you. They'll find that extremely helpful.

This is how religious fanatics think.

Very fair.

It just doesn't work for me - I don't enjoy it.

It doesn't feel evil to me if we're left with no other choice, but in those cases I still whisper a "fuck you" to the developers. I guess I'm a goody two shoes, but I don't enjoy the evil stuff.

I don't enjoy the evil stuff and I'm an atheist.

I'm a serial do-gooder in real-life, let me nuke megaton in peace please.

Because you can help without consequence of being mocked for your meddlesome attitude nor being forced to bear responsibility of taking care of your recipient till they safe from harm, which is fantasy came true.

Yeah yeah I got the countries mixed up been a long day

Thats fine. I just think its more fun when people cheer and clap for me for saving their dog or whatever vs me killing their whole family and looting the house

Can you name games that you think are handling this issue very well iyo?
I'm looking for titles atm and could use recommendations.

See that's just a regular tuesday for me.

I play the evil l route sometimes but only after a significant playthrough of being good. And most of the time it's just to hear the other dialogue, aka the content you could literally not get the other way. I rarely finish games though so usually 2nd playthrough is started 3/4 of way through first playthrough after I didn't play for 6 months (usually at a tough boss / stealth mission) and figure if be fun to see the start again.

There are exceptions, sometimes it's just fun to run around with stars in GTA but even that adventure has been like a decade since I last bothered. Plus it's basically half the reason that one exists anyways.

the scenario in question is ripped straight from Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon. If you were ever a fan of the Elder Scrolls, I think it improves upon that formula in literally every way.