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supersquirrel
lemmy.ca
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-08-07 |
Optimizing getting the most out of human bodies before they fall completel apart! |
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Damage
slrpnk.net
Damage@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Automation is NOT an issue, by that logic we should all be outside tending fields and crops |
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keepthepace
slrpnk.net
keepthepace@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I don't expect that evolution to come from the (current) US culture, but what we all need to invent, especially here on slrpnk.net, is a post-labor society. Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs. Depending on how fast we imagine it as an utopia, we lower it chances to become a neo-feudeal dystopia. |
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HerbGrower
slrpnk.net
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-07-09 |
I don't expect that evolution to come from the (current) US culture, but what we all need to invent, especially here on slrpnk.net, is a post-labor society. Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs. Depending on how fast we imagine it as an utopia, we lower it chances to become a neo-feudeal dystopia.
How much that people buy is really necessary? Reducing demand also reduces labour requirement. We could probably be most of the way there today just by changing what we value. |
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j5y7
sh.itjust.works
j5y7@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-02-19 |
How much that people buy is really necessary? Reducing demand also reduces labour requirement. We could probably be most of the way there today just by changing what we value.
It's baked in our DNA. Those with more resources reproduced more. Greed won't just disappear. |
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Chaf
slrpnk.net
Chaf@slrpnk.netJoined: 2026-06-05 |
I don't expect that evolution to come from the (current) US culture, but what we all need to invent, especially here on slrpnk.net, is a post-labor society. Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs. Depending on how fast we imagine it as an utopia, we lower it chances to become a neo-feudeal dystopia.
Have you looked around? Capitalism is creating desire and fueling consumption wherever it can. We are limited by resource usage and seeing the consequences of it. Going all in on an consumption- and especially desire-driven economy sounds horrible. That's definitely not the solarpunk way. Or if it is, I'm in the wrong place. |
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keepthepace
slrpnk.net
keepthepace@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-15 |
Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs. Have you looked around? Capitalism is creating desire and fueling consumption wherever it can. We are limited by resource usage and seeing the consequences of it. Going all in on an consumption- and especially desire-driven economy sounds horrible. That's definitely not the solarpunk way. Or if it is, I'm i...
I do tend to differentiate artificially engineered desires and real ones. We are not being limited by resources usage in any tangible way before it is too late. Fuel will be affordable until it becomes basically unavailable. Our only current rationing mechanism right now is market prices. And I don't know about you, but labor cost in my branch is the main constraint telling how much I get paid and how much I can afford. |
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keepthepace
slrpnk.net
keepthepace@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-15 |
How much that people buy is really necessary? Reducing demand also reduces labour requirement. We could probably be most of the way there today just by changing what we value.
Yes. One way to reach post-scarcity is to organize to need less. |
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Chaf
slrpnk.net
Chaf@slrpnk.netJoined: 2026-06-05 |
I do tend to differentiate artificially engineered desires and real ones. We are not being limited by resources usage in any tangible way before it is too late. Fuel will be affordable until it becomes basically unavailable. Our only current rationing mechanism right now is market prices. And I don't know about you, but labor cost in my branch is the main constraint telling how much I get paid ...
If you differentiate engineered desires and "real" ones then "need" might be a better word. And there are different aspects of being limited by resources, not just financial cost. One of the reasons we have all the ecological problems right now is because we ignore the environmental impacts of our resource usage. Your fuel example is on point - oil and gas are still way too cheap compared to the damage they do to the environment. So when we follow your proposal of trying to form a society that aims to be constrained by resources, then I'd say we are already there. We couldn't have done much better. It's just not being constrained by availability, but by the consequences of our usage. However, there are even a few examples where we are starting to be constrained by actual resource availability, from the top of my head sand for concrete and copper come up. I hope the idea of solarpunk is trying to keep the planet in a livable state. |
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