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13igtyme startrek.website 13igtyme@startrek.website
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Bush said this May 13th, 2008. Poor guy had to go a whole 8 months without golf before Obama inauguration. Oh no!

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TheTechnician27 lemmy.world TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

Bush said this May 13th, 2008. Poor guy had to go a whole 8 months without golf before Obama inauguration. Oh no!

Bush said this in 2008, but it was in response to this question:

Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

Q Mr. President, was there a particular moment or incident that brought you to that decision, or how did you come to that?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf -- I think I was in central Texas -- and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.

This is in reference to the 19 August 2003 Canal Hotel bombing. To that date, the Iraq War (launched 20 March 2003) had been going on for about five months.


It's not hard to check something like this before you say it.

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him] anarchist.nexus PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus
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Twenty years from now, shitlibs are gonna rehabilitate Trump just like they're rehabilitating Bush 🙄

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14th_cylon lemmy.zip 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
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#5 · Quote Reply

Twenty years from now, shitlibs are gonna rehabilitate Trump just like they're rehabilitating Bush 🙄

are you suggesting there can exist someone so deranged, that trump will look like normal person in comparison?

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HeyJoe lemmy.world HeyJoe@lemmy.world
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#6 · Quote Reply

It's still not a war right?

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charokol lemmy.zip charokol@lemmy.zip
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#7 · Quote Reply

Stop normalizing Bush. Remember when they gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being him?

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14th_cylon lemmy.zip 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
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It's still not a war right?

no, it is special military operation 😂

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danc4498 lemmy.world danc4498@lemmy.world
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Twenty years from now, shitlibs are gonna rehabilitate Trump just like they're rehabilitating Bush 🙄

Funny, cause my reaction to this post wasn't that this rehabilitated W, rather that Trump is so bad that he makes a shitty president look better. Still not good

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Rezurektme lemmy.world Rezurektme@lemmy.world
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A Tale of Two Presidents War Criminals ☺️

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him] anarchist.nexus PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus
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are you suggesting there can exist someone so deranged, that trump will look like normal person in comparison?

Yes. Give it twenty more years, less if there's no political rebuke of Trump.

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durably465 lemmy.ml durably465@lemmy.ml
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#12 · Quote Reply

Stop normalizing Bush. Remember when they gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being him?

Yeah suddenly a saint because he had the decency to not play golf during a war of invasion based of lies.

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YappyMonotheist lemmy.world ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
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They don't even need to care about optics nowadays, and that's due to the complete degradation and dehumanisation of "core Americans", who will mindlessly support anything their white king says and does. Gone are the days when they had to at least pretend to be moral, both the public and the government.

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13igtyme startrek.website 13igtyme@startrek.website
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#14 · (edited) Quote Reply

Bush said this in 2008, but it was in response to this question: Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq? THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing gol...

And yet he still publicly played golf October 13th 2003. After stating that he quit in August 2003.

Here's a fun one from 2002 while thousands were dying in Afghanistan. This from 2002

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Skunk [any] lemmy.zip skunk@lemmy.zip
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#15 · Quote Reply

At least 45 gives the troops the respect they deserve

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absGeekNZ lemmy.nz absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
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Funny, cause my reaction to this post wasn't that this rehabilitated W, rather that Trump is so bad that he makes a shitty president look better. Still not good

Hard agree.

It is very similar to how the Iranian dictatorship was looking like the adults in the room. I mean how the fuck are you so terrible that Iran, looks reasonable by comparison.

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TheTechnician27 lemmy.world TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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#17 · (edited) Quote Reply

And yet he still publicly played golf October 13th 2003. After stating that he quit in August 2003. Here's a fun one from 2002 while thousands were dying in Afghanistan. This from 2002

And yet he still publicly played golf October 13th 2003. After stating that he quit in August 2003.

Can you feel that? It's like a breeze from goalposts rushing past.

Poor guy had to go a whole 8 months without golf before Obama inauguration. Oh no!

Mr Bush's last round of golf as President dates back to October 13, 2003, according to records kept by CBS news.

Image showing that there were 63 months between October 13th, 2003, and January 20, 2009.


You can just admit you were wrong instead of goalpost-moving this hard. We both agree George W. Bush was a terrible president and a piece of shit.

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TankovayaDiviziya lemmy.world TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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#18 · Quote Reply

Bush is a good guy now?

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Catoblepas lemmy.blahaj.zone Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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Stop normalizing Bush. Remember when they gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being him?

I didn’t spend my teenage years going fucking insane in Bush country to have this stupid, criminal motherfucker held up as some example of decency.

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missingno fedia.io missingno@fedia.io
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are you suggesting there can exist someone so deranged, that trump will look like normal person in comparison?

20 years ago I didn't think anyone could be worse than Bush.

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unknownuserunknownlocation kbin.earth unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
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#21 · Quote Reply

Bush is a good guy now?

I see it as, not even bush was that bad.

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Th4tGuyII fedia.io Th4tGuyII@fedia.io
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#22 · Quote Reply

Man it's wild that even W Bush had more decency than Trump, and he was terrible

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Akasazh lemmy.world Akasazh@lemmy.world
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#23 · (edited) Quote Reply

At least 45 gives the troops the respect they deserve

Like steering them into two useless and unsubstantiated wars against countries that didn't attack the USA without a clear plan for an exit strategy, other than making the military industrial complex a literal fuckton of money?

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FistingEnthusiast lemmy.world FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
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#24 · Quote Reply

Man it's wild that even W Bush had more decency than Trump, and he was terrible

I remember thinking that 'Murica could not sink any lower

Oh, how I laugh now...

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CitizenKong lemmy.world CitizenKong@lemmy.world
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#25 · Quote Reply

Stop normalizing Bush. Remember when they gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being him?

It's just proof that whenever you think conservatives have found the bottom of the barrel, they keep digging.

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FistingEnthusiast lemmy.world FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
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#26 · Quote Reply

Bush is a good guy now?

No

He was awful

But Drumpf had plumbed depth that I would not have believed existed

I have always held 'Murica in contempt, but that has changed to outright hatred for what America is

Not all its people, but about two-thirds of them should burn

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Skunk [any] lemmy.zip skunk@lemmy.zip
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#27 · Quote Reply

Like steering them into two useless and unsubstantiated wars against countries that didn't attack the USA without a clear plan for an exit strategy, other than making the military industrial complex a literal fuckton of money?

Without the context of my statement it's not even clear whether you are talking about Bush or Trump lol. At least Trump calls them "suckers and losers" to their face

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13igtyme startrek.website 13igtyme@startrek.website
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#28 · (edited) Quote Reply

And yet he still publicly played golf October 13th 2003. After stating that he quit in August 2003. Can you feel that? It's like a breeze from goalposts rushing past. Poor guy had to go a whole 8 months without golf before Obama inauguration. Oh no! Mr Bush's last round of golf as President dates back to October 13, 2003, according to records kept by CBS news. You can just admit you were wrong ...

I didn't move the goal post, I was wrong. Guess what, so were you and Bush still fucking lied. Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war.

Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don't know how calendars work. Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.

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NoneOfUrBusiness fedia.io NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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Hard agree. It is very similar to how the Iranian dictatorship was looking like the adults in the room. I mean how the fuck are you so terrible that Iran, looks reasonable by comparison.

I mean Iran is usually reasonable in its foreign policy. The regime is fucking evil don't get me wrong, but that usually manifests more in their domestic policy (their support for Assad being a notable exception) instead. Which is to say: In a conflict between Iran and America/Israel, you can usually bet on Iran being the more reasonable side, at least partially because they're not strong enough to be as blatantly evil as America outside their borders.

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NoneOfUrBusiness fedia.io NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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#30 · Quote Reply

I know that's not your intention, but still: Ew, Bush apologia. I don't see why respect for the gangsters of US capitalism should be a meaningful factor when judging political leaders.

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Wildmimic anarchist.nexus Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
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#31 · Quote Reply

no, it is special military operation 😂

and it goes just about as well lol

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#32 · Quote Reply

...we don't have to do this

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TheTechnician27 lemmy.world TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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#33 · (edited) Quote Reply

I didn't move the goal post, I was wrong. Guess what, so were you and Bush still fucking lied. Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war. Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don't know how calendars work. Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.

Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.

Definitely not projection, given you jumped right past acknowledging you were completely, utterly wrong in a way that was trivially debunkable (and frankly seemed dubious just from common sense) and just started ranting about other stuff that wasn't relevant to why you were wrong – like him being a piece of shit in 2002.

Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war.

You're still acting like I'm trying to defend George W. Bush as a person and not just, like, showing you were confidently wrong.

Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don’t know how calendars work.

You're being so obnoxious and unwilling to take the L with any dignity. The point of my original comment wasn't asserting that he quit that specific day on 19 August; I provided that date as context for the bombing he was talking about, because it was 23 years ago and not everyone remembers or was even alive for that.

My point was the quote "you haven't been golfing in recent years" and that he quit c. 2003. Which as you pointed out turned out to be October 13, 2003. That is, I wasn't trying to assign a concrete date to when he quit; I was trying to show you were completely off-base, which you were.

Chill out.


Edit: Worth noting, even, that there's a fairly logical explanation some have pointed out that Bush may have suffered a torn meniscus which would make a sport like golf pretty painful. (He would have his knee replaced about 10 years later.)

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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor piefed.social AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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#34 · Quote Reply

World: USA, you surely can't go lower than Bush...

Usians: Hold our beers...

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#35 · Quote Reply

It's just proof that whenever you think conservatives have found the bottom of the barrel, they keep digging.

The future is truly terrifying.

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand feddit.uk yakko@feddit.uk
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#36 · Quote Reply

It's just proof that whenever you think conservatives have found the bottom of the barrel, they keep digging.

The barrel has been dug through. It is now a tube, and conservatives are currently digging an empire-sized grave beneath it.

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#37 · Quote Reply

are you suggesting there can exist someone so deranged, that trump will look like normal person in comparison?

Things can always get worse. Always. You could always get a proper Hitler instead of a wannabe Hitler.

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JohnnyCanuck lemmy.ca JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca
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#38 · Quote Reply

S**g H**l to the president gasman,
Bombs away is your punishment.

- Green Day, Holiday

Fuck GWB. He's no saint.

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raspirate lemmy.world raspirate@lemmy.world
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#39 · Quote Reply

"Now watch this drive."

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agamemnonymous sh.itjust.works agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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#40 · Quote Reply

I remember thinking that 'Murica could not sink any lower Oh, how I laugh now...

I'm not sure I'm ready for what's coming the next time around. Probably some manosphere influencer way into eugenics. Yay.

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mannycalavera feddit.uk mannycalavera@feddit.uk
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#41 · Quote Reply

World: USA, you surely can't go lower than Bush... Usians: Hold our beers...

Hold our lite beers.

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StoneStar feddit.nl StoneStar@feddit.nl
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#42 · Quote Reply

I know that's not your intention, but still: Ew, Bush apologia. I don't see why respect for the gangsters of US capitalism should be a meaningful factor when judging political leaders.

Yeah, gross. All US presidents were shitheads, none excluded except maybe Lincoln or some shit.

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FistingEnthusiast lemmy.world FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
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I'm not sure I'm ready for what's coming the next time around. Probably some manosphere influencer way into eugenics. Yay.

I would like to see the minority of decent people get out, burn the rest, and then allow the indigenous Americans to do what they will with the place, with support from the rest of the world and safeguards to stop this shit happening again

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Janx piefed.social Janx@piefed.social
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#44 · (edited) Quote Reply

I know that's not your intention, but still: Ew, Bush apologia. I don't see why respect for the gangsters of US capitalism should be a meaningful factor when judging political leaders.

More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits." Trump is so much worse, in ways we get numb to just looking at news stories day after day. Plus, conservatives won't hold him accountable like they would with Bush...

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#45 · (edited) Quote Reply

More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits." Trump is so much worse, in ways we get numb to just looking at news stories day after day. Plus, conservatives won't hold him accountable like they would with Bush...

More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits."

That might be OP's intention, but they need to say so in the post itself or it's Bush apologia anyway. Also that's true, but having more respect for the imperialist war machine isn't my idea of (good) limits. There are areas where an "imagine being worse than Bush" comparison makes sense, but how much they respect the people doing their imperialism is simply not one of them. Or to put it another way: Hitler wouldn't have been a worse person if he had secretly looked down on the SS.

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jaybone lemmy.zip jaybone@lemmy.zip
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#46 · Quote Reply

Hold our lite beers.

I’m going to lite beer all over my Superman pajamas.

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jaybone lemmy.zip jaybone@lemmy.zip
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#47 · Quote Reply

Man it's wild that even W Bush had more decency than Trump, and he was terrible

It’s crazy that people are pushing memes like he’s the good guy.

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jaybone lemmy.zip jaybone@lemmy.zip
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#48 · Quote Reply

I'm not sure I'm ready for what's coming the next time around. Probably some manosphere influencer way into eugenics. Yay.

You mean the guy running the pentagon?

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tiny_hedgehog piefed.social tiny_hedgehog@piefed.social
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#49 · Quote Reply

Remember when GWB was considered a poor president? Yeah… guess everything is relative.

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wolframhydroxide sh.itjust.works wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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#50 · (edited) Quote Reply

It’s crazy that people are pushing memes like he’s the good guy.

This is juxtaposition, not apologia. There is a scale of awful, and Dubya is objectively on the lesser side relative to the Paedophile President, seditious traitor and inarticulate pissboy that he is. There is no section of the constitution that I know of which he hasn't violated. Dubya was many of the things which the traitor-in-chief is, and that makes the juxtaposition all the more apt. If they were supposed to be comparing a good president, they'd have picked FDR. Instead, they picked one who was generally considered one of the worst until that point to show that, even when you think you've scraped the bottom, someone can still manage to break the bottom of the barrel and scrape the mouldering, fetid carcass of a plague rat off the floor below.

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wolframhydroxide sh.itjust.works wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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#51 · (edited) Quote Reply

More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits." That might be OP's intention, but they need to say so in the post itself or it's Bush apologia anyway. Also that's true, but having more respect for the imperialist war machine isn't my idea of (good) limits. There are areas where an "imagine being worse than Bush" comparison makes sense, but how much they respect the people doing...

Because the selection of a shot showing bush looking like fucking snidely whiplash creeping toward some unsuspecting damsel is insufficient? Because the fact that the entire meme is about how they both play golf to an unhealthy degree rather than actually giving a fuck about the country they purportedly run is insufficient? Because you assume readers have the critical capacity of a potato, and readers can't tell that bush's only reason for not playing golf was optics and he worded it as if his forbearance was a sacrifice in solidarity? Give me a break.

If this is apologia, it's the worst apologia I've ever seen. I've seen tankies defend the fucking gulag with a greater command of reason than would be shown by someone using this to try to paint Bush in a positive light.

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