https://explosm.net/comics/kris-should

Well hell, I can't see a difference...

He tells it like it is.

Lots of people hate their kids, based on the parents I see.

Edit: There's an election coming up. Please get out and vote against the fascists.

And then - after the election - please read up on the experiences of minorities and why the Democratic party isn't handily capturing critical votes from oppressed people and non-voters and third party voters. If there's any chance the current wave of bullshit can be voted away, we owe it to ourselves to try.

End of edit.

lol.

But it would be more honest with a bonus panel where the guy in the left also started pissing on the guy who is trying to decide.

Not that the guy in the left will eat his kids or anything. Still an easy choice, I guess.

Edit: Because all politicians tend to act worse than they talk.

But we really need to kill our kids,because that's what I saw a popular account on tiktok say. You know tiktok never lies.

The last panel really says it all.

The unfortunate part is that there isnt much difference most of the time. And they both hate trans people/love israel for some reason

Look, both sides are the same-- they both pee! Just one does it openly onto you, which is just being honest! Would you trust someone who only pees in private, away from taxpayer eyes?

This comic is from 2012, so it actually predates TikTok.

I hate that this is exactly the shit I heard in 2015.

There is a huge difference, just not on the two topics you chose. Those two topics are very important, don't get me wrong.

To say there isn't much difference between a group actively dismantling democracy for an authoritarian state and a group that could be more inclusive with their policies is asinine.

Ah, another Trolley Problem dropout.

Oooh, I like this one.

Thanks, I made it up.

I'm so sick of all the people that say that because the Democrats are (deeply) flawed, they are just as bad as the Republicans.

That's how you secure Republican victory by pressuring leftist voters to stay home, and that's exactly why it's such a popular meme.

No worries! Both sides are the same! Just don't vote! That'll show 'em.

/s, just in case.

The other side did not condemn peeing strongly enough though.

all the tankies from .ml

"they're both the same"

And they were in the same restaurant as a twitch streamer once, so can we talk about that instead?

There's a common type of voter that people don't really hear about, but it's a naive voter that makes a really really simple choice.

Did my life improve in the past 4 years? I'll vote for the incumbent or their party.

No? Grrr, other party...

Some people are legitimately this simple, because they don't want to try and pretend to understand the deeper issues, and don't think about the problem any more than that. They hate politics and don't want to care about it or understand it. They just react to how their life felt in the past few years and ignore mostly everything else, because their direct life experience is the only thing they trust.

And I've brought this up before, and said yeah some people are just that dumb, and someone was like "well what do you expect me to do, vote for the guy who made my life worse?" Literally this type of voter got very vocally upset and announced this was the right way to vote. They exist, and they vote, and they see no problem voting for a fascist as long as their rent went up under a Democrat, and will likely vote for a Democrat because their bills went up under a fascist.

man i wish this senario was analogous to real life. … no i am not joking.

The first guy is kidding, and actually just wants to make it easier for the other guy to do what he says he'll do.

I can’t remember the comedian, but the line “They’re not even pissing on your leg and telling you it’s raining, anymore, they’re pissing on your face and telling you it’s piss” hit it right on.

Pissing candidate also needs a word bubble coming in from right saying, "vote for me to clean up this disgusting piss-soaked world that THEY made!"

how does that republican pee taste?

The ancient wisdom!

I didn't call them as bad as Republicans.

I accused them of pissing in my ear.

I stand by thay accusation. It's true in every way except literal.

I'm tired of not being allowed to acknowledge that Democrats would immediately start winning elections if they would run popular progressive candidates. (Some have, this year! There's hope!)

It isn't a difficult problem for Democrats to solve. Most Democratic party leaders choose not to solve it - I'm guessing because they would have to give up the bribes they accept from billionaires.

I didn't even call for voting for a third party. I don't think that helps. But pretending the average Democrat politician respects me or gives a shit about me isn't helping, either.

Anyway, please don't tell me to pretend the average Democratic candidate isn't pissing in my ear. That's too far, for me.

Not really. They are more "fuck the guy on the left, he didn't make implement my favorite policy the last time, and he said this one thing this one time, I will never vote for him".

Crickets about the guy on the right.

They are not as bad, but let me rant for 5 paragraphs about how bad are they while not saying a word about the other guy.

The other guy is clearly following fascist playbooks.

And yes, I also have a real problem with the official blessed competition to the folks following fascist playbooks, who merely have lunch with the folks following fascist playbooks and accept funding from the same sources as the folks who are running fascist playbooks.

Nobody here is not peeing in my ear, or worse.

I'm surprised that's a controversial take.

I think you're right to point this out since it can be subtle to notice in the way some voters speak about the decision making (though hard not to spot in "independent" voters, once you're conscious of it) but you especially see this a lot with Trump voters, particularly those who're considering voting for someone else (not even necessarily a Democrat).

They always frame their decision due to how things have changed for them in the last X years but left out is how the policies Trump campaigned on would have alerted you that's where things would have ended up well before now. I remember Jordan Klepper was interviewing people at a Trump rally and one guy said things were great under Trump; Klepper asked him what he did for a living and the guy said he was a debt collector: he seemed confused as to why Klepper was just laughing at him, after that.

I've literally argued with people saying it's better not to vote and we should let conservatives win so people will get mad enough to revolt. Eventually.

Even on those two topics there is a definite difference between the parties, though not nearly as much of one as I would like there to be. Among elected officials and active candidates, the absolute worst individual Democrat stance on each of them MIGHT be worse than the best individual Republican stance, but the average stance is substantially better, and the number of Dems with good or even marginally acceptable stances is much, much higher.

The point is that even if you are a single issue voter, there is at least a marginal difference between the parties on whatever issue is your personal hill to die on, and the same party is the better one on literally every single issue. I suppose there is a chance that, in a given race, that particular Republican candidate will be better on that single issue than that particular Democrat candidate, but even that is unlikely.

Yeah, people just voted for the incompetent serial bankrupt demented whiner a second time...

ugh, I've had some success by arguing you should at least deface a ballot. Why assume they'll know you're mad and not lazy. If 10% of people wrote in "fuck all y'all" you might actually get people trying to win over their vote.

"You showed up for the protests didn't you? You didn't just assume they got the message did you?"

But man it's like talking to a wall

Robots that scan ballots don’t give a shit about your scribbles and will just not count the vote.

Then you’re back to accelerationist nonsense

Defaced ballots are counted. Not towards any party but they are recorded.

I'm not saying it's a silver stake, I'm just saying it clears the ever low bar of being better than "not voting at all"

It's more like you need someone to watch your kid and your options are a pedophile or someone who merely is merely attracted to children but never acted.

And you're exhausted trying to convince people that 1) the first guy is a pedophile 2) yes, if you are forced to pick, the second guy is preferred 3) but the second guy is awful and you should also hate him too 4) there IS a third guy that we all pretend doesn't exist for some reason

Accelerationism is rational if you assume the country is doomed. But I don't think that assumption is rational.

If 10% of people defaced their ballot this would be a international scandal. The 'champions of democracy' have at-scale revolt in their democratic process.

Think J6 but worse in terms of recognition. We are still talking about J6

While I think, in the end, the problem is deeper than this, I still can't believe how a convicted felon, a probable (child)rapist, proven con man, miserable liar, a military draft dodger, a millionaire-born junior, and a horrible human being, won against Kamala Harris.

They also don't appreciate what actual societal collapse would be like.

There is a version where the worse it would be the more rational it becomes to accelerate there faster

1. As a protective measure for your kids. Similar to the motivations for many civil wars
2. If you're going to be miserable, hungry, on the run, etc. you have a better chance of surviving that at the age N than N+10, for all N > 15. Better to start the misery now and adapt while you are younger. You might even get to see the other side for sufficiently small N.

The biggest issue with your take is the timing.

You choose to equate the parties and inspire voter apathy just before a US General Election, the time where voter apathy is the most dangerous. As such, you greatly bolster the Republican Party, knowingly or not.

As has been proven, Russia (and others interested in destabilizing the US) have paid hand over fist to do so. So whether you're paid by them or doing this on your own time, no amount of your "Why are you booing me? I'm right!" makes sense right now unless:

• You are unaware a US General Election is about to take place (if so, then why are you yapping about US elections?)

• You are aware, and intend to help the GOP win by driving voter apathy (ergo fuck RIGHT off)

• You are aware, and think you will unironically teach the DNC to be more progressive by inspiring people to sit out and let the GOP win (at which point you're just... foolish, not actively and intentionally a disruptor)

You make the DNC (and the US) more progressive by helping the more progressive DNC candidates win their primaries and general elections, not equating them to GOP politicians.

I think it's a level of naive optimism to think society will collapse and we'll make something better, other than the harsh reality that this will continue plodding on. Real change is slow, and unglamorous.

It's like the people who believe and really want the rapture to happen, so they don't have to cope with their everyday life.

"Don't worry, The Revolution will come any day now, no one knows when, and it'll make things All Better."

I think there's more effective ways to show you're angry than throwing your vote away.

If you truly, truly don't believe either vote makes a difference, doing nothing is still worse.

Anything is better than nothing.

Yours is the first helpful response I've seen. Thank you. If I was more aware of the election cycle, I would take more care.

I'm certainly part of the un-engaged problem. I'm working on that.

What I'm learning is brutal, and doesn't make me hold any peraonal faith that the Democratic party is even a viable part of the solution. But I'll keep voting as my union representative urges me to. Until my union bails on the Democrats, I'll back them.

Your thoughtful response prompted me to edited my post above in an attempt to appeal to folks to vote against fascism, for what that's worth.

Glad to hear it.