Bruh the Nords ain't the natives.

Who is downvoting this? The forsworn are native.

Skyrim belongs to the Falmer!

I fight for the one true cause. Shouting goats off the mountain.

Fus-Ro-Baaah

Yep the strormcloaks are an extremely flawed anti-colonial movement. Still worth supporting.

strormcloaks are an extremely flawed anti-colonial movement

Lmao they're literally a colour revolution propped up by the Altmeri Dominion and want to continue Skyrim's occupation of the Reach.

The funny thing about the civil war is that it can be safely ignored. Apart from one point in the main quest, where you need to negotiate a ceasefire, but you can't possibly fail.

Ya, the Nords are from Sweden

I never understood the hype for Skyrim, the world and story is so stale and incohesive

Does it really surprise anyone that a story by Emil Pagliarulo has poorly written factions?

The "natives" who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again

Godamnit

I really wanted to love Skyrim, the world is so cool, and it has so many cool story lines in there. It is just that they are so... shallow. Not connected at all. Not responsive or immersive in any way.

Actually, this part of the Skyrim world is the one that I hate the least. Sounds like every proxy conflict ever. The parallels to many real-world conflicts from Vietnam to Ukraine are obvious.

And it is a nice dilemma: do you support the clearly colonial empire, which however seems to be half ok at running things, when they are not on an oppressive execution spree? Or support the self-determination of the people, who are propped up by a rival empire that is even worse, and half of them are horribly racist? It is pretty well balanced and not quite as black and white as the usual video game lore, it has layers, and makes you think. I like it.

You don't understand, I'm changing the stormcloaks from within

/uj it makes zero narrative sense to run off with the guy who was overseeing your execution, to the point that I don't think it should be an option. It would be better if they made you go with the stormcloaks at first but then showed how flawed they were and gave you the opportunity to switch sides later

They're not either. The dwemer and falmer are the natives.

Hear, ye! Hear, ye, Falmer! Lend supernicepojo your ears!

Hur durr no way best game ever made

Is there actually a way to join the Falmer? Not talking about mods, but also, a mod would work.

I mean it's getting a bit loose with the term native. The Nords have been there a long fucking time.

Humans on Earth are only native to Africa, but unique cultures have evolved elsewhere

They spent all their time on building thousands of caves where the radiant / fetch quests can go.

I'd play a prequel set in the dwemer / falmer-before-eyeless times. That'd be pretty tight.

It's literally hype for the creation kit and mods people create for it and having fun with how buggy it is.

Also there's no shortage of 'locations' and 'creatures' there...

HISSSS... THE LAND BELONGS TO THE LAND-FISH

The main story of that game is fucking awful. I get they wanted to introduce some choice, and wanted that choice to somewhat kinda feel justified but JESUS did they do a shitty job.

Instead of giving us a messy political situation, where either party may have some legitimate claim to the land, they gave us Southern nationalists versus Northern racists who were here first and you're meant to pick which one you like more.

Gee would I rather kill for the guys that literally don't want me here, or kill for the guys that literally tried to kill me for being here? HARD FUCKING QUESTION.

I think I played through the main storyline once to completion, and every time before and after that I just skipped it once I got the rewards I wanted.

Its not racist to resist change from outsiders who happen to be another race.

The Nords' early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide so it's not like it comes from nowhere.

It took me a long time to realize I missed the entire civil war plotline. I never sided with anyone. Did the main plot and some guild questlines. Skyrim hooked me less than prior TES games.

Yeah I remember considering both sides and then just saying fuck it and stopping the quest entirely when it came time to choose.

I am surprised that anyone would consider the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood faction and plot to be poorly written. It was easily the best story of the base game.

Also there’s no shortage of ‘locations’

Most of which being a grey blob. There are like a couple interesting locations.

I spent all my time in those caves. Thanks Skyrim

it is racist to treat argonians like shit, for example

and it came to "Skyrim is for Nords". which can be expected, yeah, but must not be tolerated

thinking of the same, honestly. probably add some bloodbath on my way out too

I dislike both sides so much that I skip those quest lines

I am a Skyrim virgin.

Be gentle with me.

It's so incredibly shallow, from a series already suffering from such.

No

You too get an arrow to the knee and you'll like it

Or to openly talk about purging your new ethnonation.

Skip all vanilla quest lines, go do Dawnguard, get sexy vampire wife, grab the plantation from the creation club and live rest of my Skyrim days recreating the anime Farming Life in Another World while power leveling my alchemy.

I don't pick a side in the civil war, but I will murder Thalmor and Stormcloaks indiscriminately.

I have not played this game in a long time, at least not in any way that involves paying attention to storylines that are not modded, but based on what I remember, not choosing a side is the worst option. The civil war was instigated by the aldmeri(?) dominion to put skyrim into chaos and keep them from pushing the elves back out while they silently take over the empire. It makes things slightly better, but I still didn't like how terrible both sides were.

well it's not like Ysgramor left a lot of the native elves in a state to complain.

But the dwemer fucked off / killed themselves while summoning their omnissiah (iirc the lore gets a bit weird), and the falmer... well... yeah.

and it's not even just the right choice, it's the choice that actually results in what the Stormcloaks supposedly want. Ulfric's rebellion exclusively serves to benefit the Aldmeri Dominion he supposedly hates, whereas a unified empire at least has a chance to resist the elves.

Although if you really wanna dig into it, it makes zero sense that the Aldmeri were able to somehow build up enough of an army to attack the empire and enforce the White-Gold Concordat to begin with. Especially considering Hammerfell was able to beat them on their own. TES writers basically giga-nerfed the empire to allow the war to even happen.

The Aldmeri Dominion - Ulfric things always seems like something to repeat. It's not like he was paying tithe to them or anything. Just because they want him in power doesn't mean he shouldn't be, and paying to that line of though only leads to more trouble. You see Skyrim mostly liberate itself, if the elves had helped or offered assistance, I think this claim would have been made to be more intentional rather than the oft-repeated reddit-spteak it is.

But they aren't just resisting change. They openly talk about purging all the argonians and khajiit, etc.

How? When I tried to dodge that conflict, Todd was right-click-unzipping packs of fighting soldiers onto me. It felt like a meme interpretation of "If you aren't interested in politics, politics are gonna start to be interested in you".