RetroFed Forum
Your home away from modern life.
Guys, hear me out.
Post Reply
AuthorMessage
daddycool lemmy.world daddycool@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#52 · Quote Reply

I still need to watch that movie. Been seeing the memes of his rant about Steiner for 22 years. Few things bring me more joy than watching a very well acted Hitler Mental Breakdown.

You should absolutely give it a watch.

2
gwl [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-10-16
#53 · Quote Reply

To use violence, they still need someone to carry that out.

Those people don't need to believe in it though, there's plenty of people who will do violence for the sake of violence

1
CrimeIsLegalNow ani.social CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social
Joined: 2026-09-09
#54 · Quote Reply

I don't remember him being a war hero, just a veteran. And the number isn't for the war, it's "law enforcement", so, death camps (including the Jews, Slavs, Roma...) and various raids and mass executions all over the occupied territories.

He received the second and first class Iron Crosses, the first class famously on the recommendation of his Jewish officer.

People compare them pretty frequently to the Bronze Star. I don't think that's quite right because the award systems are simply different but by all accounts the first class award was a rarity for his rank.

1
Aqarius lemmy.world Aqarius@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#55 · Quote Reply

He received the second and first class Iron Crosses, the first class famously on the recommendation of his Jewish officer. People compare them pretty frequently to the Bronze Star. I don't think that's quite right because the award systems are simply different but by all accounts the first class award was a rarity for his rank.

Ah, yeah, the iron cross would count, at least for the sake of argument.

2
Nouvellalia lemmy.world Nouvellalia@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-16
#56 · (edited) Quote Reply

Notably, it didn't work. Adolf Eichmann is the guy who made that claim famous, and he was hung almost immediately after his trial.

Notably it worked really well

A few dozen people were executed for German war crimes. These people were not "just following orders", regardless of what they said. They were creating orders.

Thousands and thousands of people directly responsible for nazi slaughter were safely smuggled out of Germany by the CIA, given new names, and resettled in America, Canada, South America, South Africa, and more.

These people were also creating orders, and yet they were freed from any consequences, including even the economic ones that followed in postwar Germany. They went on to fertilize many of the fascist, racist movements we see taking over today.

Millions more lower level people who only directly murdered others by pulling a trigger, were let off the hook completely. Many got to keep their positions of violent state enforcement. These were the only people "just following orders" and they all escaped prosecution.

3
Gammelfisch lemmy.world Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-05
#57 · Quote Reply

Indeed and the MAGA fucknuts would do the same for Mango Mussolini.

7
HCSOThrowaway lemmy.world HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-04
#58 · Quote Reply

This isn't even a cop thing, though I have no doubt the rate would be higher if empirically tested; cops tend to be very Conventional Morality in the sense that If Legal -> Moral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

TL;DR: 65% of people would kill someone if given an order to do so (and some plausible deniability).

My money's on it being 70-80% for US cops, maybe higher. My only real metric on this is the one guy I knew who made an arrest he was ordered to that he (should have) known wasn't legal and shrugged his shoulders about retelling the incident, saying "I'm a soldier (he was an Army veteran); I follow orders."

-1
Proprietary_Blend lemmy.world Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-25
#59 · Quote Reply

He was a courier. There are no records and no eyewitness accounts of Hitler ever killing anyone in combat, and he saw very little of it. Hitler himself makes no claims at ever killing an enemy soldier. He also dodged the draft in Austria-Hungary so that's fun.

Thanks Eva! I'm glad your doing well

3
Proprietary_Blend lemmy.world Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-25
#60 · Quote Reply

Hurr, nooo, those are the victims of comyunusm

That's 100 million billion!

2
Proprietary_Blend lemmy.world Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-25
#61 · Quote Reply

Also Hitlers wife.

And Whistler's mother

2
Proprietary_Blend lemmy.world Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-25
#62 · Quote Reply

The only difference between Osama Bin Laden and Brian Thompson, is that Brian got people killed for money.

Sir. This post is about Hitler

1
Proprietary_Blend lemmy.world Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-25
#63 · Quote Reply

"They only followed orders" is the most fucking stupid way to defend the oppressor, yet it works, because people have no balls to stand for themselves in such situations.

I'm sure you're balls would be all over the place

1
ultranaut lemmy.world ultranaut@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-15
#64 · Quote Reply

I think Hitler is said to have killed people in the first world war.

There was recently news about Hitler probably murdering his niece in 1931. She supposedly killed herself in his apartment but historians found old archives that apparently suggest that's not what actually happened.

6
WoodScientist lemmy.world WoodScientist@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-06
#65 · Quote Reply

He was in the military in WW1, so he may have killed a few people.

Yeah I knew he was in WW1, and may have taken a life there. But I'm wondering about when he was actually in power. Like, did history's greatest anti-Semite really resist the temptation to do a little dirty work himself? Did he never take an afternoon to go throw the lever on a gas chamber himself? It's not like he couldn't have easily arranged such a thing.

2
Funkt4st1c lemmy.world Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-30
#66 · Quote Reply

This isn't even a cop thing, though I have no doubt the rate would be higher if empirically tested; cops tend to be very Conventional Morality in the sense that If Legal -> Moral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment TL;DR: 65% of people would kill someone if given an order to do so (and some plausible deniability). My money's on it being 70-80% for US cops, maybe higher. My only...

Pulling a gun and shooting a person running away from you is hardly plausible deniability.

1
doingthestuff lemy.lol doingthestuff@lemy.lol
Joined: 2024-11-01
#67 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]
-19
Smeagol666 crazypeople.online Smeagol666@crazypeople.online
Joined: 2025-08-08
#68 · Quote Reply

We should give Hitler a posthumous peace prize for killing the leader of the Nazis. Maybe that could inspire a certain fat orange pedophile to follow suit.

4
skibidi lemmy.world skibidi@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-05
#69 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]

Now do the number of people killed by British capitalism in India

5
FlyingCircus lemmy.world FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#70 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]

Capitalism kills as many as the most inflated numbers attributed to communism every 10 years. The Black Book of Communism, widely cited for its accounting of deaths allegedly caused by communist states, estimates that communism has killed 100 million people. This includes Nazi soldiers killed in WW2 and, bizarrely, the unborn children that hypothetically would have been born if there hadn't been a famine or a war.

To this day, 10 million people who live under capitalism die from starvation and preventable disease simply because it isn't profitable to save them. If we take the Black Book seriously, and agree that every death that happened under a communist state (preventable or not) is attributable to the communist ideology, then we must also agree that every death under a capitalist regime is attributable to capitalism. If we do that, then capitalism is the most murderous ideology there has ever been.

Even if you don't want to agree with the above logic, we can look at how US sanctions have directly led to the deaths of 38 million people in 50 years. These sanctions are murder done solely to coerce countries into falling in line with US interests.

5
A404 lemmy.dbzer0.com A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-04-11
#71 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]

uhm, this is an anarchist sub

5
technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#72 · Quote Reply

He was a soldier in the Great War, but I see your point.

There is no such thing as a great war. ffs.

1
technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#73 · Quote Reply

"They only followed orders" is the most fucking stupid way to defend the oppressor, yet it works, because people have no balls to stand for themselves in such situations.

In fairness it's hard to stand your ground when surrounded by murderous fascists.

Where I live, fash put people in cages for decades just for having zines.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines

1
technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#74 · Quote Reply

As long as conservatives continue to live, the normal people will continue to be oppressed. If not for conservatives, the epstein class could be charged with crimes, forced to pay fair wages and be required to pay fair taxes. If not for conservatives, capitalism could be regulated, climate change could be addressed, housing prices and wealth inequality could be cured, for-profit prison camps co...

This comment would be more convincing if you just called them fascists instead of using the meaningless euphemism of "conservative".

0
Earthwormjim91 lemmy.world Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-11
#75 · (edited) Quote Reply

Only 13 million? I think that severely limits his responsibility. Hitler didn't cause just 13 million deaths. Hitler caused 13 million jews to be killed + 65 million allies + ~44k in the blitzkreig + ~5 million german soldiers + all the other groups targeted in the holocaust (Roma, Gypsies, LGBT, mental patients, etc.) + all the civilians that got caught up in the battlefield (Africa + Europe)....

It was 6 million Jews, 13 million total in the camps.

There weren’t even 13 million Jews in Europe before wwii lol.

And total deaths, military and civilian, during wwii were 75-85 million. You don’t need to make up numbers. It was already the most human death in history. Making shit up gives the conspiracy nuts ammo.

3
Hobo lemmy.world Hobo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-20
#76 · Quote Reply

Capitalism kills as many as the most inflated numbers attributed to communism every 10 years. The Black Book of Communism, widely cited for its accounting of deaths allegedly caused by communist states, estimates that communism has killed 100 million people. This includes Nazi soldiers killed in WW2 and, bizarrely, the unborn children that hypothetically would have been born if there hadn't bee...

...the unborn children that hypothetically would have been born if there hadn’t been a famine or a war.

One of those kids could've gone on to have a kid that has a kid that helps populate the whole universe. So the real number is closer to 500 kajillion million trillion.

2
teslekova lemmy.ml teslekova@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-08-05
#77 · Quote Reply

There is no such thing as a great war. ffs.

I dunno, it had some cool stuff. Like, um... Those grenades on sticks? Pretty great.

1
Akasazh lemmy.world Akasazh@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-24
#78 · Quote Reply

We should give Hitler a posthumous peace prize for killing the leader of the Nazis. Maybe that could inspire a certain fat orange pedophile to follow suit.

I will have to be the peace prize though

1
Burn_The_Right lemmy.today Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-08-19
#79 · Quote Reply

This comment would be more convincing if you just called them fascists instead of using the meaningless euphemism of "conservative".

Conservatives are fascists. They are the same people. Always have been.

1
HCSOThrowaway lemmy.world HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-04
#80 · Quote Reply

Pulling a gun and shooting a person running away from you is hardly plausible deniability.

Did you just not read the Wikipedia article or what?

Maybe you're implying shooting people running away is common in US law enforcement?

Don't be glib; state your point with some conviction.

1
mirshafie europe.pub mirshafie@europe.pub
Joined: 2025-11-07
#81 · (edited) Quote Reply

Only 13 million? I think that severely limits his responsibility. Hitler didn't cause just 13 million deaths. Hitler caused 13 million jews to be killed + 65 million allies + ~44k in the blitzkreig + ~5 million german soldiers + all the other groups targeted in the holocaust (Roma, Gypsies, LGBT, mental patients, etc.) + all the civilians that got caught up in the battlefield (Africa + Europe)....

I believe most estimates converge around 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

0
FlyingCircus lemmy.world FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#82 · Quote Reply

uhm, this is an anarchist sub

Honestly, I’m happily surprised this guy is being ratioed like this. We are subverting the leftist infighting trope.

1
homosapien lemmy.dbzer0.com homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-08-28
#83 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]

source?

1
Sunflier lemmy.world Sunflier@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-27
#84 · (edited) Quote Reply

I believe most estimates converge around 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

6 million jew, okay. But I didn't quantify all the other victims of the camps.

1
Funkt4st1c lemmy.world Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-30
#85 · (edited) Quote Reply

Did you just not read the Wikipedia article or what? Maybe you're implying shooting people running away is common in US law enforcement? Don't be glib; state your point with some conviction.

I am aware of the milgram experiment.

The experiment is null if the "experimenter" or proposed authority figure isnt in the room with the person. The subjects, famously, hesitate before being pressured. Most cops just pull triggers and laugh to the bank to cash their 6 months paid leave.

1
HCSOThrowaway lemmy.world HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-04
#86 · Quote Reply

I am aware of the milgram experiment. The experiment is null if the "experimenter" or proposed authority figure isnt in the room with the person. The subjects, famously, hesitate before being pressured. Most cops just pull triggers and laugh to the bank to cash their 6 months paid leave.

Naw, the vast majority of cops never pull their trigger anywhere other than the shooting range.

As for paid leave after a shooting, are you implying you'd rather a cop who just shot someone be back out on the street immediately with zero investigation first?

1
Funkt4st1c lemmy.world Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-30
#87 · Quote Reply

Naw, the vast majority of cops never pull their trigger anywhere other than the shooting range. As for paid leave after a shooting, are you implying you'd rather a cop who just shot someone be back out on the street immediately with zero investigation first?

Id rather our "protectors" not kill us

1
HCSOThrowaway lemmy.world HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-04
#88 · Quote Reply

Id rather our "protectors" not kill us
  1. They're not your protectors; you fell for an LAPD slogan.

  2. I kinda doubt you want the cops to kill 0 people ever; are you saying you're good with them waiting around for the killer to get bored at Uvalde?

  3. Once again as soon as you are hit with a point that contradicts your stance, you leap to the Red Herring. Presumably, this is because you don't actually care that much about the topic and are just toying with it.

1
Funkt4st1c lemmy.world Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-30
#89 · Quote Reply

They're not your protectors; you fell for an LAPD slogan. I kinda doubt you want the cops to kill 0 people ever; are you saying you're good with them waiting around for the killer to get bored at Uvalde? Once again as soon as you are hit with a point that contradicts your stance, you leap to the Red Herring. Presumably, this is because you don't actually care that much about the topic and are j...
  1. I put it in quotes for a reason.
  2. I do want cops to kill 0 people ever. Obviously situations are complicated and armed dangerous people harming innocents with no intent to stop should be taken out, but ideally they are put through a good system and rot in jail forever. Note: the current american judicial system is deeply flawed.
  3. Lol
1
HCSOThrowaway lemmy.world HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-04
#90 · Quote Reply

I put it in quotes for a reason. I do want cops to kill 0 people ever. Obviously situations are complicated and armed dangerous people harming innocents with no intent to stop should be taken out, but ideally they are put through a good system and rot in jail forever. Note: the current american judicial system is deeply flawed. Lol
  1. I got that you were being sarcastic, but I figure(d) it's much more likely that you're angry because you think they're not fulfilling a promise, when in reality it's more of a catchy slogan that tricked you.

  2. Your first two sentences contradict each other so I don't even have to address this point.

  3. As long as we're all aware you're just concern trolling.

1
Post Reply Page 2 of 2   Goto page « First 1, 2
Back to top