Perhaps teaching children to never question authority was a bad idea

Does Hitler killing himself not count?

Pretty sure thats the one.

Enablers must die

Ironically that was the best thing he ever done

He was a war hero from WW1 so it was presumably a bit higher than that, but the vibe is there.

Also both the Holocaust numbers and war deaths are wrong so I'm very curious about where exactly 13 million came from, especially considering one of the things Nazi did was militarize law enforcement even more than Germany already did, which was considerable.

What about Eva Braun?

Just goes to show that bad people can do good things, and vice versa.

Studies on obedience (e.g. replications of Milgrim Experiment) suggest a lot of factors play into people harming and killing others on behalf of an authority. Original was 65% of participants, but it can to up to 90% with men in authoritarian cultures.

My favorite was Australian women having the lowest rate of obedience in the shock experiment, at only 16%, being relatively individualistic and rebellious culturally, but even less obedient then men as women are less likely to conform when it involves harming others. That may have changed in recent years though, as people more comfortable with authoritarianism tend to be more likely to obey.

Typically, people least likely to obey the order have better social intelligence and moral development. Unfortunately, those traits are far and few between lately...

This also applies to everyone in tech blindly contributing to the AI bubble and the rise in fascism

Probably assumed he escaped to Argentina so left it at 0.

I have always wondered about this sort of thing. Powerful people are only powerful because people choose to obey them.

She committed suicide with a cyanide capsule.

As long as conservatives continue to live, the normal people will continue to be oppressed.

If not for conservatives, the epstein class could be charged with crimes, forced to pay fair wages and be required to pay fair taxes. If not for conservatives, capitalism could be regulated, climate change could be addressed, housing prices and wealth inequality could be cured, for-profit prison camps could be abolished and genocide could be resisted.

Every invasion and every genocide in human history has been led exclusively by conservatives. They are truly, deeply evil and will never change. Never. Only their complete erasure can bring us peace.

What about his dog

Pretty safe to assume he went somewhere because he wasn't in that hole. Dental records confirmed that.

You know it's a bad idea when it's the military strategy to build obedient soldiers

Choice is the wrong word, it's rarely an honest choice

Sauce?

IIRC, in the movie Downfall, some of his men makes it bite down on a cyanide capsule.

I still need to watch that movie. Been seeing the memes of his rant about Steiner for 22 years. Few things bring me more joy than watching a very well acted Hitler Mental Breakdown.

Not even obey. Many people willingly follow along mostly because they think someone they don't like will get hurt. Trump isn't destoying the US on his own. He is being aided by a large portion of the conservative population.

He was a soldier in the Great War, but I see your point.

Straya. Brings a tear to me eye mate.

Dr Harold Shipman has entered the chat.

I don't remember him being a war hero, just a veteran. And the number isn't for the war, it's "law enforcement", so, death camps (including the Jews, Slavs, Roma...) and various raids and mass executions all over the occupied territories.

but even less obedient then men as women are less likely to confirm when it involves harming others

Yo, please do better. I really want to know what you're saying but I cannot figure it out.

Hitler got the cyanide capsules from Himmler, but he didn't trust Himmler, and he also doubted the capsules effectiveness. He really didn't want to be caught alive, especially after hearing the relatively mild treatment Mussolini got... so he had his physician test it first on Blondi.

The only difference between Osama Bin Laden and Brian Thompson, is that Brian got people killed for money.

"They only followed orders" is the most fucking stupid way to defend the oppressor, yet it works, because people have no balls to stand for themselves in such situations.

That and he did structural violence. Our brains are not adapted to react to that emotionally

Goons are the ones doing it and had their chance to get out and choose to keep going. Spare no goons.

The point still stands, but did Hitler never kill even one person with his own two hands? Did he not find the time to go down to a camp and kill a few innocents himself? Seems like a thing would be bound to happen.

And the person he killed? The most evil person ever: Hitler!

I mean that's gross oversimplification, they also use violence of the state to force what they want

:(

To use violence, they still need someone to carry that out.

He was in the military in WW1, so he may have killed a few people.

Only 13 million? I think that severely limits his responsibility. Hitler didn't cause just 13 million deaths. Hitler caused 13 million jews to be killed + 65 million allies + ~44k in the blitzkreig + ~5 million german soldiers + all the other groups targeted in the holocaust (Roma, Gypsies, LGBT, mental patients, etc.) + all the civilians that got caught up in the battlefield (Africa + Europe). In total, Hitler mighta got 100 million.

Also Hitlers wife.

ThenUS basically has a nation wide grooming campaign tonget boys to join the military. You're not wrong, but the problem is deeper then that.

Do you have a book or a paper which aggregates these studies?

Some historians seem to think he would've mentioned it in Mein Kampf if he had.

She killed herself, one could argue.

I picked up a fair amount from an OER textbook that references the studies on its chapter on conformity and obedience, but I bet there is a meta analysis out there with a more comprehensive list. The only issue is later studies on this can't ethically go beyond a certain amount of fake voltage, as the original studies went a bit too far it's getting people to think they killed someone.

The textbook in question is available here: https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/

Sorry, my phone corrected conform to confirm. I think most people picked that up by context, but simply typing it several times just now it reverted to confirm. Lol

I think Hitler is said to have killed people in the first world war.

He was a courier. There are no records and no eyewitness accounts of Hitler ever killing anyone in combat, and he saw very little of it. Hitler himself makes no claims at ever killing an enemy soldier.

He also dodged the draft in Austria-Hungary so that's fun.

Hurr, nooo, those are the victims of comyunusm

Notably, it didn't work.

Adolf Eichmann is the guy who made that claim famous, and he was hung almost immediately after his trial.

Oh thanks for the correction then, even if he did claim it I wouldn't believe it obviously, I thought he was supposed to have taken a bunch of prisoners at gunpoint but that memory of reading that is from like decades back now so idk.