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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Korkki lemmy.ml Korkki@lemmy.ml
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Who the fuck are they putting on trial anyway, some random low ranking officer? US blew up those pipes. It was the only one with motive, will and capability to do it. No way some Ukrainians with a sailboat did it.

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KimBongUn420 lemmy.ml KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml
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Yeah just continue to buy gas for a much larger premium from the us (and def don't look into Seymour Hershs portrayal of events)!! /s

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
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Who the fuck are they putting on trial anyway, some random low ranking officer? US blew up those pipes. It was the only one with motive, will and capability to do it. No way some Ukrainians with a sailboat did it.

the whole thing is such a circus

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Korkki lemmy.ml Korkki@lemmy.ml
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The real mistake was krauts dropping their nuclear plants. Nordstream was the generational transition plan for German industry and economy. The problem was US blowing it up, to get Europe invested in their "use Ukraine to hurt Russia" War.

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Yeah just continue to buy gas for a much larger premium from the us (and def don't look into Seymour Hershs portrayal of events)!! /s
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queermunist she/her lemmy.ml queermunist@lemmy.ml
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How many millions of people does the US have to kill before you're willing to accept that it's bad?

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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How many millions of people does the US have to kill before you're willing to accept that it's bad?
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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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There is no way they are comparable. The US was established by slaveowners through a genocide of indigenous people, with the blood of African slaves. After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes. Not to talk about the amount of people starved to death in the global south through IMF and other instruments of imperial hegemony. The RF might have been up to some heinous shit at some point, but there is absolutely no way they are comparable or equal. You gotta stop deluding yourself.

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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
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There is no way they are comparable. The US was established by slaveowners through a genocide of indigenous people, with the blood of African slaves. After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes. Not to talk about the amount of people starved to death in the global south through IMF and other instruments of imperial hegemony. The RF might have been up to some hein...

After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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There is no way they are comparable. The US was established by slaveowners through a genocide of indigenous people, with the blood of African slaves. After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes. Not to talk about the amount of people starved to death in the global south through IMF and other instruments of imperial hegemony. The RF might have been up to some hein...
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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
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The real mistake was krauts dropping their nuclear plants. Nordstream was the generational transition plan for German industry and economy. The problem was US blowing it up, to get Europe invested in their "use Ukraine to hurt Russia" War.

Real nice throwing in a slur

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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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Oh wow, Goebbels' human wave myth in the big 2026. i was right to tag you as "shitlib", mut maybe "fascist" would be more accurate.

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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes

most likely yeah, got stuck on overthinking technicalities and not knowing enough about shit in the 19th century and such

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Oh wow, Goebbels' human wave myth in the big 2026. i was right to tag you as "shitlib", mut maybe "fascist" would be more accurate.
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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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Mannerheim, oh lord. The White Butcher, the very same who bombed the ice road to Leningrad and (unverified) put up our own concentration camps? You really do fly your colours high don't you? The colors of Suur-Suomi, the one with the swastikas and only a blonde, blue-eyed population. No roma or karelians here! Disgusting.

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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A performance of vassals to officially absolve this senile terrorist of his crimes.

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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LOL germans gonna germ
always on the wrong side of history

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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I don't think you are good at math

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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I don't think you are good at math
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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Mannerheim, oh lord. The White Butcher, the very same who bombed the ice road to Leningrad and (unverified) put up our own concentration camps? You really do fly your colours high don't you? The colors of Suur-Suomi, the one with the swastikas and only a blonde, blue-eyed population. No roma or karelians here! Disgusting.
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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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You deepthroated the cool aid
You are regurgitating all the cliché western fascist propaganda BS.
What else can you find in your little black book of communism?

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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Oh wow, Goebbels' human wave myth in the big 2026. i was right to tag you as "shitlib", mut maybe "fascist" would be more accurate.

.de, 100% fascist

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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You deepthroated the cool aid You are regurgitating all the cliché western fascist propaganda BS. What else can you find in your little black book of communism?
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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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you really are a caricature

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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What leader do you pledge your allegiance to

See, this is fortunately where we differ.
Unlike you I do not come to conclusions or 'believe' stuff according to 'a leader' or ideology.
I use verifiable facts and history which have shown your regurgitated propaganda as the BS it is.

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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What leader do you pledge your allegiance to See, this is fortunately where we differ. Unlike you I do not come to conclusions or 'believe' stuff according to 'a leader' or ideology. I use verifiable facts and history which have shown your regurgitated propaganda as the BS it is.
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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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Sources? We're not talking about one specific event.
You would need a full library for the gigantic span of Russia/Soviet era compared to the US.
How bout you do some work, you could start of by looking for articles critical of your beloved little black book, that one is easily debunked.
Who knows you might learn something when you're out of your circle jerk

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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Who the fuck are they putting on trial anyway, some random low ranking officer? US blew up those pipes. It was the only one with motive, will and capability to do it. No way some Ukrainians with a sailboat did it.

IDK who but their name is Patsyy.
Seeing the size of that little boat after learning about the technicalities of such an operation, the shitload of equipment, teams of divers and assistance you need to even locate and then blow up a concrete reinforced pipeline somewhere at dangerous depths which only a few nations at best have the expertise to do makes it highly amusing.

I really want to hear some ukro they put on the stand explain how he did it.
"Yea I got my PADI verification in Kho Phi Phi in 2008, could totally pull it off"
9/11 Cessna pilot vibes

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Sources? We're not talking about one specific event. You would need a full library for the gigantic span of Russia/Soviet era compared to the US. How bout you do some work, you could start of by looking for articles critical of your beloved little black book, that one is easily debunked. Who knows you might learn something when you're out of your circle jerk
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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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I verified up here (what I knew already) and I have written about exactly ZERO specific events.

No wonder you don't understand the world when you're this confused.

Or I could be terribly wrong and you can undoubtedly show me which specific events I wrote about.

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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I verified up here (what I knew already) and I have written about exactly ZERO specific events. No wonder you don't understand the world when you're this confused. Or I could be terribly wrong and you can undoubtedly show me which specific events I wrote about.
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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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The bombing of the ice-road seems to be a misconception of mine, though I personally wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibilities. Most contemporary Finns really don't really like engaging with their own history critically.

On the concentration camps in Karelia though one can find multiple sources, like this, or this one that delves deeper into Finland's past, also discussing Finnish treatment of Jews during the war.

On the issue of The White Butcher (ie. the deeds of the White Finns and Mannerheim against the Reds in the Civil War in 1918): many of the sources I found were in Finnish, but some can be found in English. Such as this, this. The whites tended to "shoot on sight", under Mannerheim's decree, with the local church unsurprisingly playing tow to anti-communist messaging.

Seems to be a skill-issue, huh? Do you have any sources on your claims of human waves? I'm willing to take a gander

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MaxLemminist lemmy.ml MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml
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OK that's progress

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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The bombing of the ice-road seems to be a misconception of mine, though I personally wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibilities. Most contemporary Finns really don't really like engaging with their own history critically. On the concentration camps in Karelia though one can find multiple sources, like this, or this one that delves deeper into Finland's past, also discussing Finnish trea...
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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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Just wikipedia huh. You mentioned American, Ukrainian and Russian sources regarding human waves in the current war in Ukraine, but I guess those don't exist, then?

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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Just wikipedia huh. You mentioned American, Ukrainian and Russian sources regarding human waves in the current war in Ukraine, but I guess those don't exist, then?
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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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Oh yeah, look at that... "White House reports", "According to Ukrainian officials"... forgive me, but I'm kinda suspicious of these sources. One claims to be Bloomberg but redirects to Washington Post's or whatever homepage with no article in sight. The one Russian milblogger that I found through there seemed to use the term in complaining about inadequate air support and artillery coverage during assaults, which is probably true as drone warfare mixed things up a lot. The other claims of inadequate leadership also probably stand.

The fact that during WWII the whole concept of the Soviets using human wave attacks was cope and propaganda by the Nazis (especially Goebbels) to explain how their glorious aryan soldiers armed with their glorious Wunderwaffen could lose so spectacularly to the untermensch. This was taken further by the US who employed Nazi generals and their memoirs to shape the narrative in the Cold War world. Here's a source, many others can be found. Was there a kernel of truth in this? Yes, the Red Army wasn't that well organized when the invasion began, and employed many poorly organized battalions of mostly peasant backgrounds. Add to this the purges in the upper echelons of the Army (done to prevent counter-revolution by fifth columnists) led to many losses.

I hope you can start to see why some of your claims got the reaction they got. People (liberals and openly fascist alike) who come around here usually only have the same few talking points, and people around here are understandably completely fed up with them.

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NonconfrontationaI lemmy.ml NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
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Real nice throwing in a slur

I thought kraut was like Yankee or Canuck?

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EmmiLime lemmy.ml EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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I thought kraut was like Yankee or Canuck?

I am curious about this too now

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EmmiLime lemmy.ml EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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Oh wow, Goebbels' human wave myth in the big 2026. i was right to tag you as "shitlib", mut maybe "fascist" would be more accurate.

What is this tagging? I've seen it mentioned a few times before.

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Cowbee [he/they] lemmy.ml Cowbee@lemmy.ml
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The US Empire is a major part of the reason why Russia is the way it is today, and is far more damaging at a global scale. The US has always been worse than Russia ever since the USSR was established.

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Cowbee [he/they] lemmy.ml Cowbee@lemmy.ml
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What is this tagging? I've seen it mentioned a few times before.

Some apps allow tagging, which isn't a feature on the web version.

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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
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I thought kraut was like Yankee or Canuck?

I could be mistaken, but I was reared that it originated in one of the world wars and used like other slurs of that originated during those eras.

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Narri N. (they/them) lemmy.ml narr1@lemmy.ml
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Some apps allow tagging, which isn't a feature on the web version.

Yup. I use thunder on mobile, which implements this feature

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ghost_laptop lemmy.ml gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml
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youre a nazi piece of shit, fucking go die in a putrid ditch. you know how things are, you know the us is a nazi empire. don't pretend you don't know acting all innocent. piece of shit, trying to even thinking about comparing any country, even nazi germany, with the worst offender in war crimes in human history. you are fucking pathetic.

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ghost_laptop lemmy.ml gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml
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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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youre a nazi piece of shit, fucking go die in a putrid ditch. you know how things are, you know the us is a nazi empire. don't pretend you don't know acting all innocent. piece of shit, trying to even thinking about comparing any country, even nazi germany, with the worst offender in war crimes in human history. you are fucking pathetic.
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wylinka szmer.info wylinka@szmer.info
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I could be mistaken, but I was reared that it originated in one of the world wars and used like other slurs of that originated during those eras.

Whatever it once was, those words are more funny than offensive now. I wish there were actual slurs you could use against europeans.

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ghost_laptop lemmy.ml gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml
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i don't owe you shit, much less respect. fick dich.

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