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BlackSwan lemmy.blahaj.zone BlackSwan@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-10-16
#252 · Quote Reply

Little man spouting someone else's ideas. Go away.

Weak attempt at insult, do better

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Zozano aussie.zone Zozano@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-07-09
#253 · (edited) Quote Reply

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I'm going to leave it up to the court of public opinion. If anyone else is this far down and has an opinion, feel free to weigh in, i'd like to know what piece of this I'm missing.

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riverdoc lemmy.world riverdoc@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-09-17
#254 · Quote Reply

Women are excluded from medical studies and even medicines designed for women are trialed on men, anyway, so I would argue it wouldn't make a difference medically, anyway.

Primary care physicians need to know what conditions you might be susceptible to in the future, and some of these conditions are based on your sex.

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Soleos lemmy.world Soleos@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-19
#255 · Quote Reply

We have laws making it illegal to discriminate according to gender. If there are zero legal gender categories, there is no legal basis by which one can say discrimination has occured, so nobody can technically commit such a crime.

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Kind_to_Everyone slrpnk.net Kind_to_Everyone@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2026-05-17
#256 · Quote Reply

Shelters for domestically abused women need to be female only.

Please explain why. Do you believe that all males are domestic abusers and that no women in same-sex relationships have ever been abused?

I volunteered at a shelter with my mother as a younger teen. Then overnight I went from someone who could reliably count cans of Habitant soup and diapers to someone who could not be trusted to know the address. My best friend at the time and his mother were victims of domestic violence. The inference hurt and still does 30 years later. So I would like to understand your position.

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kepix lemmy.world kepix@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-06
#257 · Quote Reply

identification

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TeaWithDani lemmy.world TeaWithDani@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-24
#258 · (edited) Quote Reply

why are there legal genders? historical reasons Why do we need legal genders? we don't

My driver's license couldn't even include my proper eye colour: pers (or hazel). So it says my eyes are green... when they are not.

That's about as correct as my gender designation.

You have to think of the poor cops who don't know more than 4 colours. Can't scare them too much with challenging nuance and facts.

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Fleur_ aussie.zone Fleur_@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-04-23
#259 · Quote Reply

Different laws apply to different genders

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hansolo lemmy.today hansolo@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-07
#260 · Quote Reply

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That conservatives use gender as a weapon at their discretion.

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AgentOrangesicle lemmy.world AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
#261 · Quote Reply

Women are excluded from medical studies and even medicines designed for women are trialed on men, anyway, so I would argue it wouldn't make a difference medically, anyway.

I wouldn't, due to biological differences in sex. I mean, not that I wouldn't take drugs designed for women, but if you're hemorrhaging blood or have a problem where certain medicines present contraindications with your biology, you'd want a doctor to know.

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ScoffingLizard lemmy.dbzer0.com ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-05-04
#262 · (edited) Quote Reply

Some amount of gendered colors is a useful social shortcut. When our children were babies, we painted the nursery green because that’s my favorite color, and otherwise didn’t bother much with color. However when we went out we tended to have some obvious blue to make it simpler to talk about our baby. It’s easier for someone to say “he’s cute” because he has a blue blanket, than to have the “bo...

Good point. Also babies don't have different body types so I guess you can use whatever you want. Unlike when I see cool shoes but the women's sizes a pink or shitty pastel colors while boys get cool stuff.

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ScoffingLizard lemmy.dbzer0.com ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-05-04
#263 · Quote Reply

Well and even in the West, pink and blue didn't used to be gendered like they are. 100+ years ago yellow was boys, light blue for girls. So the gendering isn't even static, it's as fluid as gender itself.

Oh wow. I had no idea. That's fun to imagine. I guess it's easy to adapt the mind to the idea.

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Y|yukichigai kbin.earth yukichigai@kbin.earth
Joined: 2025-12-25
#264 · Quote Reply

That's sex, though, not gender

Is it? You can have female hormone levels and still have male genitalia. Science is cool like that. And no, people aren't defined solely by their genitals, but they aren't solely defined by their appearance either, or their biology. It's a big mash up of those things and a few more.

Point being it's really hard to describe that situation as being solely one or the other. It's definitely something that needs to be indicated for medical reasons though, but most Identification Documents don't draw any distinction between sex and gender, much less allow for notation of something like that. Once again, paperwork lags behind reality.

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Y|yukichigai kbin.earth yukichigai@kbin.earth
Joined: 2025-12-25
#265 · (edited) Quote Reply

So for a trans person on hormones but without updated id markers they would die?

If memory serves one of the affected medications is used to treat some kinds of heart attacks, so possibly literally yes.

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Kangae_Hishiryo scribe.disroot.org Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
Joined: 2026-04-13
#266 · Quote Reply

Is it? You can have female hormone levels and still have male genitalia. Science is cool like that. And no, people aren't defined solely by their genitals, but they aren't solely defined by their appearance either, or their biology. It's a big mash up of those things and a few more. Point being it's really hard to describe that situation as being solely one or the other. It's definitely somethi...

But sex is all of the biological part, and yeah, exactly because is holistical and not just a sum of its parts is that it's the reason because it's precise.

The gender is all the sociocultural and psicological part.

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john_save_america lemmy.zip john_save_america@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-10-17
#267 · Quote Reply

That conservatives use gender as a weapon at their discretion.
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hansolo lemmy.today hansolo@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-07
#268 · Quote Reply

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It can't. Their identity is wrapped up in the expectation that most people, like them, lack impulse control and can't be trusted in any situation where genitals are involved. They think every horror imaginable is only seconds away from happening in every bathroom.

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swelter_spark reddthat.com swelter_spark@reddthat.com
Joined: 2025-03-06
#269 · Quote Reply

(from our thread in Actual Discussion) It exists as you see it in this weird middle state now because gender used to be completely synonymous with sex (and for most people, it still is). I first became familiar with the idea of gender in High School in the 90's. Unlike most, I have forestry credits as I was in boarding school and had some very odd classes. We ran an apiary and made our own hone...

This matches closely with my own experience.

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Poik pawb.social Poik@pawb.social
Joined: 2023-07-06
#270 · Quote Reply

identification

Gender doesn't help here. Or there would be no confusion over it in place of an image. The image provides more information and the gender marker is unreliable as an identifier even for cis people.

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AgentOrangesicle lemmy.world AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
#271 · Quote Reply

I agree ... ish I think sex identification is useful for medical stuff, until it isn't. If I was born with testicles, and I have a motorcycle accident that removes them. I don't have testicular cancer. The bit here isn't that I am "male" so I might have testicular cancer, the importance is "do I have testicles". Sex is an overall term that may align with certain likelyhoods, chances or diagnosi...

Anemia is the first thing on my mind, but I don't have girl parts and fail to grasp the significance of that other than people telling me that it's bad.

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sunsoaked_lily lemmy.ml sunsoaked_lily@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-10-08
#272 · Quote Reply

I'm not talking about any defense. I'm talking about legally changing sex as happened in Spain. This is well known story with lots of sources in Spanish. No HRT or history behind it because Spanish law doesn't require it to change sex. A guy simply went to an office, change his gender in a government DB and was sent to female prison. So, what do you think should happen in case like this? Should...

your argument only makes sense if you think sexual assault is inevitable in prisons. the idea that a prison can't stop someone from sexually assaulting someone else is absurd.

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ExLisper lemmy.curiana.net ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
Joined: 2025-03-22
#273 · (edited) Quote Reply

your argument only makes sense if you think sexual assault is inevitable in prisons. the idea that a prison can't stop someone from sexually assaulting someone else is absurd.

I don't know what "argument" and for or against what do you mean but I take your response as "I would send that person to female prison". And if women got sexually harassed you would say they should design better prisons.

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emergencyfood sh.itjust.works emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-03
#274 · Quote Reply

Sounds like the problem is a lack of gender equality, which I suppose would in fact need to be fixed first.

Also a disturbing amount of sexual assaults, particularly around Delhi. (Men getting assaulted by women is rare enough that we haven't had to make rules specifically for it.) During the recent protests a policeman harassed a female protestor after arresting her, despite the rule that only policewomen should arrest women. Now most police forces aren't as bad as Delhi police, but that bar is underground.

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gwl [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-10-16
#275 · Quote Reply

Like it or not that women will guaranteed face harsh realities. Iraq. A line of "Iraqi military" taking turns at a boy. Nothing you can do about it.

what

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myyass lemmy.world myyass@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-09-02
#276 · Quote Reply

what

It's just one example of how fucked up things can get. You're patrol and you see that, you can't do anything because "we're allies to the iraqi army now."

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-10
#277 · Quote Reply

there's no actual reason for having them, it's just there because we've always done it that way and any sort of change is scary :(
It does help that legal gender makes it easy to oppress people, though. that's very convenient.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-10
#278 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

do you think trans women count as female? do trans men count as female?

Who do you think deserves shelter from abuse?

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