I’m tired of supporting instances that support that trash. Are there any suggestions or even a good up-to-date list available?

Not on Lemmy really, maybe on piefed. That said it may be easiest to pick an instance and just block it from your client.

I'm real happy over here.

Based on @zedstrian@sopuli.xyz's post, it looks like the only large instance that defederates lemmy.ml is infosec.pub . I have no specific knowledge of that instance though.

Just add it to your block list. No need to change instances.

ml is the dev instance. you're supporting it by using lemmy. so really you should look for software that doesn't federate with any lemmy instances.

Here's a diagram

https://piefed.social/c/fediverse@lemmy.world/p/2258999/maybe-a-better-threadiverse-major-defederations-graph

here's another

https://piefed.social/c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world/p/2260084/threadiverse-major-defederations-graph

Since those diagrams were made, beehaw.org defederated from lemmy.ml. But they also have lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works defederated so it's... not a popular choice.

PieFed has the concept of silencing another instance. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown during onboarding. Their communities can still be found in the communities list (if you unblock the instance first) and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the Subscribed feed of the joiner as usual.

Since I added silencing functionality I feel like there's almost no need for (more) defederation. I can offer protection to newbies who don't yet know which places to avoid and they can explore the dark corners when they're ready. It's a low-drama way to put a bit of distance between groups that rub each other the wrong way.

Oh sheesh stop acting like a baby. If you don't want to read something then don't read it.

Re infosec.pub: I just logged in and checked, and I can see .ml communities from here.

OP is on Piefed.

Lemmy.cafe is defederated with .ml, Hexbear, and Lemmygrad.

As an mbin fan, I've been liking fedia.io.

When accounting for several other relatively large instances I didn't include in my original chart, fedia.io and lemmy.cafe also defederate lemmy.ml.

Expanding on @rimu@piefed.social's point, the Piefed instances piefed.social and feddit.online silence lemmy.ml.

Odd, because it's on the blocked list for the instance.

on an instance that federates with lemmy. also, idk if that's better really.

I think beehaw recently defederated from ml, and I like it here a lot :)

Exactly what I did.

I mean are you paying money for them, when you say supported?

Or you just registered here.

beehaw.org defederated from lemmy.ml

Good move from the admins.

Federating seemed reasonable at first glance. I thought interacting with lemmy.ml would be worth it to see a wider range of opinions, avoid the bubble effect. It felt like interacting with yet another bubble that hates introspection and reject all critical comments outrights. Got quickly banned from a community with the reason "nazy" after I pointed out Iran's human right violations, in a post about Iran and human rights. In retrospect those interactions where a total waste of time.

If you don’t want to read something then don’t read it.

this is literally what the OP is trying to achieve.

Wait the only thing .ml has defederated from is fedinsfw? How random...

It's a chud puddle, nothing more. Don't go splashing in there without protection.

Let's all take advice from a 3 day old account, yay!

Infosec, you say. Ironic.

If you mean .ml then yeahhhh - there's quite a few good niche communities and plenty of lovely users from there, but the crushing of even minor, polite dissent from the instance mods/admins is starting to become worryingly common. If you mean fedinsfw, it's a smidgen bit too late for that warning lol. But either way thank you!

IMHO, fedinsfw is often a bastion of free speech, though obviously not in its entirety. People are the salient point of failure, often enough.

Yeah that's been my experience. I've only ever had an issue with two people on there, and those were both just dumbass behavior that was pretty promptly handled. Even had some good discussions about anarchist theory (and in one case it's applicability to the Sonic the Hedgehog universe), which was deeply refreshing.

How ironic that

• A NSFW forums' members can self-govern effectively and wisely,

• "Satanists" organize to campaign fanatically for human rights for all, etc.

• Biker gangs come together to shield children from church groups' heinous abuses, and more,

• "Modern" gun laws were enacted to stop the Black Panthers from doing similar, including: delivering food to schools and helping people get home safely

• "Pirates" lobby with others of differing views for ownership of their rightful property. (v.q. PirateSoftware —knowledge is power, especially against distractionary, contrarian bs like his.)

Makes one think... assuming one hasn't been coaxed into relinquishing that ability to fail in filtering out our oppressors' agitprop, etc.,of course.

By creating content thst can be consumed by those assholes.

I don’t want to support something that allows those assholes.

Do you tell people that don’t want to support companies that support oppressive laws to stop being a baby?

You can fuck all the way off with your bullshit.

Thank you.

Lemmy.world’s is a shithole too, so maybe beehaw is the right choice.

Why not just defenders from them entirety? It’s not like they hold any value at all.

I’m not on lemmy.

The instance itself still supports those assholes though. It’s like shopping in a store that supports fascism. I’d rather not give them my business

With the silencing and default-block setup piefed.social has now, we get all the benefits of defederation without any of the costs.

There really hasn't been the kind of crisis with them that would bring the issue to a head. When there are problems it's not with the admins, it's with individual accounts. So we just muddle on.

There are worse instances.

We can't divide and fight our way to a fediverse that defeats reddit / meta. We need to build something together. Sometimes that will mean excluding destructive elements but most of our energy needs to go into making something awesome, a place people want to come to instead of big tech offerings.

The problem is, remaining federated with them is supporting them, hidden or not. Silencing them just cuts them off on one side. .ml trolls still see content created on the instance.

I see any instance not willing to completely cut ties with that shithole as supporting it. Even in the smallest way.

And frankly, I don’t understand why anyone would NOT disassociate with them. They have proven themselves to not want anything to do with fair discourse or allow facts into any discussion. This isn’t an opinion, this is very well documented. Not only is there an entire community dedicated to calling them out- but the modlogs are full of those asshole admins banning anyone they disagree with regardless if they violated any of the posted rules.

Who would want to be a part of this?

If you’re not defederated from it entirely; you support it.

yeah we went through that already.

I don't think federation implies endorsement or support. It's more like "isn't bad enough to cast out forever".

PieFed has more of a spectrum of federation. There are trusted instances, normal instances, silenced instances and defederated instances. So it's not a binary choice.

.ml trolls still see content created on the instance.

Yes that is a bummer. I have made a few attempts to limit federation based on what the poster has blocked but Lemmy is quite good at pulling in content that it previously didn't receive, which works around it. More effort on this is needed.

I’m new here, can someone catch me up on the lore?

.ml is an entire instance full of propaganda spreading pro Russia/China bullshit. There’s a few communities that have documented their bullshit with proof such as MeanwhileOnGrad if you’re interested.

Several instances have defederated (essentially blocked) from them, while others don’t have the balls to.

"Noooo please don't show me dissenting opinions in my echo chamber, I can't handle it"!

Jeez, please grow up, your ontological evil detector is completely out of whack.

Can you give an example of that "bullshit" or is it just opinions that make your poor Western mind feel sad thoughts?

Ah, that explains why I’ve seen some folks jump way too quickly to accuse other people of being tankies, there’s some community baggage I wasn’t aware of, lol

If you don't want to read something then don't read it.

Are you opposed to the concept of moderation?

That Russia isn't a fascist state and isn't an imperialist shit hole that aligned itself with the Nazis at the beginning of WW2 in order to accomplish its imperialist goals. Or that it hasn't been the source of atrocities for generations. Or that it's a better alternative than the west.

It's like owning the narrative is half or more of the battle.

One thing I'd not really thought about until recently is the idea that the organisers of the Boston Tea Party really did admire the freedom and other aspects of Native Americans, hence why they disguised themselves as such. And yet on the whole, like most other colonists, considered the NA's to be savages, with the implication that they needed to be managed by the white man. But the overall idea being cultural appropriation... like taking over all the desirable aspects of being NA, while acting abominably towards the actual Native Americans.

But the body of Americans fell hook, line and sinker for the Myth of America, so most of us are kind of oblivious about stuff like this.

Yeah. It’s not that they jump too quickly with the accusations, it’s that they either have dealt with the clowns before, or it’s the same modus operandi that they’re used to dealing with.

Many instances have that trash blocked, but sadly- these kids are allowed to to make alts on other instances to where they can spread their bullshit. Some of them even make communities on instances that have their home instance blocked.

Biased bc I'm a piefed user but I think piefed is far better

I find them entertaining 🤷 somebody has to keep trying to talk them off the ledge.

.ml is notorious for suppressing any dissenting opinion - both users and admins. You really have no grounds to be acting superior on this issue.

Don't even get me started on the pioneers being led by that same golden legend to take over the rest of the continent (+/-), only to be discarded* when the rich fucks decided it was safe enough for them to roll in and take it all from them, whole cloth —"legally binding" documents be damned. 🤨

*: and/or starved, encarcerated, defrauded, forgotten, shot on sight, et al.

I'm guessing the lemmy.ml communities the other user can see are not receiving new content. After defederation they wouldn't get new content but you'd still see them there locally.