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tardigrade
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bitteroldcoot
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bitteroldcoot@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-22 |
Good. They have been using the Eu as a dumping ground for a while. |
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LocalAreaMan
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LocalAreaMan@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-10-13 |
Good. They have been using the Eu as a dumping ground for a while.
Racist garden enjoyer has entered the chat. |
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LocalAreaMan
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LocalAreaMan@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-10-13 |
In response, China countered by continuing to exist.
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jol
discuss.tchncs.de
jol@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-10-25 |
Good. They have been using the Eu as a dumping ground for a while.
Dumping ground for the things that Europeans keep buying? |
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bitteroldcoot
piefed.social
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-22 |
Dumping ground for the things that Europeans keep buying?
I was thinking more about heavy industry. The chinese are making a big push to put the eu wind industry out of business by dumping wind turbines at below cost on the market. Once the eu manufacturers go out of business, they will then up the price and yet another market will be held hostage by the chinese. |
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one_old_coder
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one_old_coder@piefed.social Joined: 2026-02-08 |
Dumping ground for the things that Europeans keep buying?
Dumping ground for the things that |
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dust_accelerator
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dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-07-01 |
I was thinking more about heavy industry. The chinese are making a big push to put the eu wind industry out of business by dumping wind turbines at below cost on the market. Once the eu manufacturers go out of business, they will then up the price and yet another market will be held hostage by the chinese.
This seems logical, but how do you place the case with solar? I think the same thing happened circa 2010, but solar is cheap today. I mean, I'm all for developing and maintaining local innovative industries, but that's not what policy EU governments tend to enact. It most often devolves into some kind of protectionist infighting that revolves around expensively reinventing wheels. |
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bitteroldcoot
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bitteroldcoot@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-22 |
This seems logical, but how do you place the case with solar? I think the same thing happened circa 2010, but solar is cheap today. I mean, I'm all for developing and maintaining local innovative industries, but that's not what policy EU governments tend to enact. It most often devolves into some kind of protectionist infighting that revolves around expensively reinventing wheels.
I don't think you can equate the two. Anyone can buy solar and put it not their roofs, it's become more of a commodity. While these giant wind turbines are more industrial infrastructure investment. |
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tardigrade
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tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org Joined: 2025-11-17 |
I was thinking more about heavy industry. The chinese are making a big push to put the eu wind industry out of business by dumping wind turbines at below cost on the market. Once the eu manufacturers go out of business, they will then up the price and yet another market will be held hostage by the chinese.
Yes, but this isn't only limited to the wind industry but to all sectors. And, more importantly, China aims to use this later as leverage for all kinds of economic and political coercion trying to achieve other goals unrelated to these industries (Taiwan, Philippines, human rights, ...). It's noteworthy that China is exploiting it's own labour force to produce cheap goods, which includes the use of forced labour and a 996 working culture that is widespread (despite it's illegal). Also, environmental regulations are very weak in China. |
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Shayeta
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Shayeta@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-24 |
Is the tool called "incetivizing and supporting development of local manufacturing"? No? Then this won't solve anything and will only increase prices for customers - everything will still be made in china. I buy things from china, yes. And I would love to be able to buy stuff made in EU, and I do for the things that are available. The big issue is that China is the world's factory, light years ahead of everyone else. The offerings are just incomparable. This is a lukewarm performance that doesn't address the root problem. |
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Scrollone
lemmy.zip
Scrollone@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-10-12 |
Is the tool called "incetivizing and supporting development of local manufacturing"? No? Then this won't solve anything and will only increase prices for customers - everything will still be made in china. I buy things from china, yes. And I would love to be able to buy stuff made in EU, and I do for the things that are available. The big issue is that China is the world's factory, light years ...
Yeah, I've recently watched Smarter Every Day's videos on YouTube about completely building a scrubber in the US. It was almost impossible and in the end he had to build a part in Canada. I think all the problems he highlights in the videos are the same in Europe. We simply don't have the tools and the knowledge required to manufacture products anymore. |
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Tehdastehdas
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Tehdastehdas@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-10 |
I'm worried about surveillance by:
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tardigrade
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tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org Joined: 2025-11-17 |
I'm worried about surveillance by: Chinese phones with Android operating system from USA, able to listen to everyone. Most computers with American operating systems seeing what companies do. Chinese and American surveillance cars getting to record video of everything.
From this comment it's easy to infer that you didn't even click the link. |
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Tehdastehdas
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Tehdastehdas@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-10 |
From this comment it's easy to infer that you didn't even click the link.
I skimmed the quote and didn't click the link. My comment isn't about trade, but what the trade tool should be used for. |
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ZkhqrD5o
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ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-17 |
Good. The practice of the Chinese taxpayer subsidizing the loss to monopolize industries must be stopped. |
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ManixT
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ManixT@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-20 |
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Why is china entitled to trade with the EU? Does china restrict trade within its country? Why is china racist? |
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katy ✨
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cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-06 |
why actually compete and innovate when you can just stifle the competition. it's the neoliberal way.. |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
why actually compete and innovate when you can just stifle the competition. it's the neoliberal way..
China is extracting money and knowlesge from the eu through state funded manufscturing programs. Selling at a loss is not competing. It is strategic anti competition. These practices ensure we cant grow our industries here. Why are all our solar panels, inverters and batteries coming out of china? Because they are state funded manufacturers over there, subsidising cost. |
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tardigrade
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tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org Joined: 2025-11-17 |
why actually compete and innovate when you can just stifle the competition. it's the neoliberal way..
Oh no, this is just the first step towards reciprocity. China has been shutting down its domestic markets since the CCP exists, and they have done a lot more to avoid any competition ... |
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katy ✨
piefed.blahaj.zone
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-06 |
China is extracting money and knowlesge from the eu through state funded manufscturing programs. Selling at a loss is not competing. It is strategic anti competition. These practices ensure we cant grow our industries here. Why are all our solar panels, inverters and batteries coming out of china? Because they are state funded manufacturers over there, subsidising cost.
so you're mad that china is actually investing in their country to improve things instead of selling out to corporations? |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
so you're mad that china is actually investing in their country to improve things instead of selling out to corporations?
I'm not mad at all. China should invest in China. Why are you looking for division. Converse. |
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