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inari
piefed.zip
inari@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-07 |
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Jenthura
lemmy.zip
Jenthura@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-10-02 |
Code snippet from their website
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VoodooAardvark
lemmy.zip
VoodooAardvark@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-11-23 |
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sorter_plainview
lemmy.today
sorter_plainview@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-10-21 |
IMO it proves nothing. Just an intellectual masturbation. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
The benchmarking just shows the differences between the LLM models. Thus turning the benchmark into a LLM benchmark, rather than comparing it to other languages. I would like to know how it compares to similar languages that are similar in use case, popularity or esotericness. And how it works if we do a simple word replace to something LLMs have less problem.
But what is the peak value if they "understand" the code? We have no other languages to compare to. I also can't find what exactly was benchmarked. |
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Ptsf
lemmy.world
Ptsf@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-15 |
Do they not understand an llm would just compile and decompile it into something else, even if the llm itself didn't understand it? |
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dan
upvote.au
dan@upvote.auJoined: 2023-06-14 |
This is interesting because even though they designed the language to be impossible for LLMs to use, Claude still scored nearly 70% on their benchmark. |
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Cellery
quokk.au
Cellery@quokk.au Joined: 2026-09-30 |
Do they not understand an llm would just compile and decompile it into something else, even if the llm itself didn't understand it?
They don’t understand how it works. They are probably still complaining about counting the number of R’s in strawberry, from back in 2023. |
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m532
lemmy.ml
m532@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-06-05 |
I have a feeling this is actually a llm benchmarking fan in disguise. Look at the perfect benchmark chart. It even has cost-per-task. |
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Wirlocke
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-07-01 |
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urushitan 漆たん
kakera.kintsugi.moe
urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moeJoined: 2026-03-28 |
They don’t understand how it works. They are probably still complaining about counting the number of R’s in strawberry, from back in 2023.
Lol he’s a software engineer at cloudflare and was previously at meta. So no matter how much he hates LLMs, both of his employers have dumped boatloads of money into them |
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CameronDev
programming.dev
CameronDev@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Looks pretty unusable for humans as well. |
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Mirodir
discuss.tchncs.de
Mirodir@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-09-27 |
This is interesting because even though they designed the language to be impossible for LLMs to use, Claude still scored nearly 70% on their benchmark.
And that's without any of this being in its training set. I wonder if they realized how big of a self own that is. |
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Shayeta
feddit.org
Shayeta@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-24 |
Oh wow, LLMs are having issues with using an esoteric language they haven't been trained on. Might as well point them at a picture of Indus script and be baffled how it cannot parse it. As long as its a language, an LLM will be proficient in parsing it given enough training and data. This is a very interesting experiment though, surprised so see how some of the models faired. |
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aldhissla
beehaw.org
aldhissla@beehaw.org Joined: 2026-10-16 |
And that's without any of this being in its training set. I wonder if they realized how big of a self own that is.
As well-intentioned as this might be, I doubt they understand how trained models work. |
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OldMrFish
feddit.dk
OldMrFish@feddit.dk Joined: 2026-10-12 |
This is interesting because even though they designed the language to be impossible for LLMs to use, Claude still scored nearly 70% on their benchmark.
Alternative headline: Claude scores 70% on benchmark in esoteric language it hasn't been trained on. That's basically an ad for Claude Code.. |
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atzanteol
sh.itjust.works
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I have a feeling this is actually a llm benchmarking fan in disguise. Look at the perfect benchmark chart. It even has cost-per-task.
Burn the witch! |
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atzanteol
sh.itjust.works
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-12 |
And that's without any of this being in its training set. I wonder if they realized how big of a self own that is.
How the hell is this a "self own"? |
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chunes
lemmy.world
chunes@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-08 |
Oh cool, it's malware too.
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freely1333
reddthat.com
freely1333@reddthat.com Joined: 2025-01-31 |
Oh wow, LLMs are having issues with using an esoteric language they haven't been trained on. Might as well point them at a picture of Indus script and be baffled how it cannot parse it. As long as its a language, an LLM will be proficient in parsing it given enough training and data. This is a very interesting experiment though, surprised so see how some of the models faired.
If you modeled your language around bio weapon, red teaming, and super racist language an LLM might actually refuse. |
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lad
programming.dev
sukhmel@programming.dev Joined: 2023-07-03 |
If you modeled your language around bio weapon, red teaming, and super racist language an LLM might actually refuse.
This was what I expected to see, syntax full of slurs and questionable content |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
This was what I expected to see, syntax full of slurs and questionable content
What would that look like? |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
Oh cool, it's malware too. he KillSwitch interpreter can detect when it is run on code generated by an LLM. This detection is proprietary and it is accurate. If the interpreter detects a non-human editing the code, it will delete the code. As such, any edits you make to the code will break the code, the original script will be unrecoverable. So do not risk modifying the code, or you risk accide...
lol I missed that part. This is hilarious. Sadly its proprietary, so we don't know how this was achieved. Edit: Ah, just realized that's where the name "KillSwitch" comes from. Yeah, I'm a bit slow today. |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
Ok, let's write an OS in it so people can't complain about devs using AI. |
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aldhissla
beehaw.org
aldhissla@beehaw.org Joined: 2026-10-16 |
What would that look like?
The Uncle Fucker song from South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut prolly |
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aldhissla
beehaw.org
aldhissla@beehaw.org Joined: 2026-10-16 |
How the hell is this a "self own"?
The premise was that this language is significantly different from other languages in terms of being understood and replicated by an LLM. The result showed that an LLM does exactly as well with it as you would expect. |
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Swedneck
discuss.tchncs.de
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-10 |
What would that look like?
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Cellery
quokk.au
Cellery@quokk.au Joined: 2026-09-30 |
Lol he’s a software engineer at cloudflare and was previously at meta. So no matter how much he hates LLMs, both of his employers have dumped boatloads of money into them
I’ve met a lot of people who previously worked at FAANG, or whatever the acronym is these days, they were not all smart. Actually, most of them couldn’t use a French Press (I exaggerate). Their intelligence comes in creating algorithms that accomplish more capitalism. Outside of the math and the logic there isn’t a lot there. |
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Sina
beehaw.org
Sina@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Sure, maybe LLMs would find this challenging, but the same is true for humans. There is never going to be a second human who is better at this than Claude, like 70%? Jeeeze.. |
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dethedrus
lemmy.dbzer0.com
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-03-09 |
If style == localtime(): belt.append(onion)
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phlegmy
sh.itjust.works
phlegmy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-06-29 |
If you modeled your language around bio weapon, red teaming, and super racist language an LLM might actually refuse.
Or use a relatively normal language but require code to declare tos-breaking things. #error, line 47: 'return' called before declaring trump a pedophile. #error, line 59: 'while' used in method before declaring intent to bomb a data centre. |
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dan
upvote.au
dan@upvote.auJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Alternative headline: Claude scores 70% on benchmark in esoteric language it hasn't been trained on. That's basically an ad for Claude Code..
Not only was Claude not trained on it, but the language is actively trying to be hostile towards it. |
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urushitan 漆たん
kakera.kintsugi.moe
urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moeJoined: 2026-03-28 |
I’ve met a lot of people who previously worked at FAANG, or whatever the acronym is these days, they were not all smart. Actually, most of them couldn’t use a French Press (I exaggerate). Their intelligence comes in creating algorithms that accomplish more capitalism. Outside of the math and the logic there isn’t a lot there.
Lol my comment was in no way related to his intelligence, though I agree working at a big tech company doesn't inherently mean you are intelligent. It was purely that if he is vehemently against LLMs he should seek employment outside of big tech |
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lad
programming.dev
sukhmel@programming.dev Joined: 2023-07-03 |
ratshit Batshit(dirty old twat): assholes.tied.knot = 69 hooray(lizardshit) FUCK
Yeah, something like this, thanks |
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naeap
sopuli.xyz
naeap@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-06-03 |
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Windex007
lemmy.world
Windex007@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Oh wow, LLMs are having issues with using an esoteric language they haven't been trained on. Might as well point them at a picture of Indus script and be baffled how it cannot parse it. As long as its a language, an LLM will be proficient in parsing it given enough training and data. This is a very interesting experiment though, surprised so see how some of the models faired.
I expect it would take about 15 minutes with the language definition to simply write a static tool (via an agentic coder, why not, just to prove the point) to evaluate the rules of the language, translate it to another (normal) language. Llm does the work there, then runs it through a mechanic to go the opposite direction. Identification that this has occurred becomes an evaluation of the prose "obscured" values are embedded in. I get the intent. I just think the testing methodology answers a very specific question, and forms a conclusion that over claims. |
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Windex007
lemmy.world
Windex007@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
If you modeled your language around bio weapon, red teaming, and super racist language an LLM might actually refuse.
Rot13 every keyword in and out before the agent sees it (solution for anthropic models) Keyword replace things to be even more offensive to make grok operate at peak efficiency. |
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canaryWart
programming.dev
canaryWart@programming.dev Joined: 2026-08-27 |
Motherfucker wants to tech them to count once and for all |
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