That's depressing.

Started out with a good cause, but it was quickly turned to shit by selfish, evil people. Not the first time it's happened in France, I'm afraid.

It's a classic problem with mass civil disobedience. All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who'll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows. Then they can frame the entire movement as violent and base.

Im not advocating against civil disobedience, but you need solidarity to avoid this.

Can someone translate this? Is there anything in there, why specifically she's trying to stop them, like is it her shop or sth?

Greed. Its in all of us, and the filthy rich love exploiting the them, as they easier to manipulate.

How do you know they're selfish, evil people?

Why?

Yo can't see?

Why do you think?

They are stealing.

They are destroying her livelihood.

She is basically saying stop stop! this shop is not the cause (not what we are protesting about)

they say that he (the shopkeeper) is not her father

the white guy comes over and says they won't listen to her and she could get injured

She keeps shouting: why are you doing this, this is not the cause

inside they are saying take the wine while the shopkeeper looks on sadly

at the end they say they went shopping! and does anyone want some shampoo or ice

Will leave to someone actually french to translate but this is the gist of it i think

i didn't have much faith in humanity left, but there goes the rest of it.

It's still a good cause. Just because a few hundred assholes take advantage of the situation doesn't mean the hundred of thousands that went to the street to protest peacefully are wrong

I can confirm that's basically it

Not every thievery is evil.

It happens in every worthwhile protest. If you see it more it's partly because the media wants you to, partly because things are so bad your country has been letting more people feel this is okay.

Also, everyone thinks the French revolution was so cool, but beheadings weren't normal back then either, it probably wasn't the most well-spoken of the protestors doing that violence either.

This is so stupid. They ruin the look of the protest for pennies. They don't even have bags so whatever they take isn't worth even a 10th of a week's grocery shopping.

FYI the topic of protest was "life is too expensive." So there's really no mystery as to why people are stealing.

More generally, looting is to be expected in a society that constantly tells us the meaning of life and our our moral worth is based on what we own, all the while denying most people any chance to actually own anything. Looting is one of the monstrous avatars of capitalism.

I don't know, could it be that they're running around in their Nike sneakers while breaking and entering, coming back out with beer and kinder surprise? They're not exactly lamenting "we have no bread"...

CEOs singlehandedly ruining whit people's PR. Sounds just as dumb.

She's a bystander. This is an insured storefront of a multinational.

Hey man the French revolution involved actual beheadings and it brought much of the prosperity you have today. It's not this scum ruining your life. It's untouchable billionaires far away from consequences.

There is no stealing under capitalism, it's rightful retribution /s

how do you think i lost the first part of my faith in humanity?

Greed. Its in all of us

This is something the greedy want you to believe, and an insult to the majority of humanity who would never act like this.

I also agree with that. You can never generalize, but you can conclude a good probabilistic distribution based on such facts and observations.

White people really don't have much good PR to begin with.
These kids are playing exactly into the racial stereotypes.

The loot is also given to people in need. It’s not just greed.
https://loops.video/v/iPH3tC5-W8

Edit: Also the French cops seem to be false-flagging here and there:

Supposedly trying to get to protestors while other cops watch: https://mamot.fr/@paratos@social.ixcat.ovh/117376147530779571

Setting a trashbin on fire. His pal in the black hoodie seems to have a gun holster (triangular shape in his back): https://mamot.fr/@antyfaszysta.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy/117462157042917063

Stealing shoes from a damaged shop, right into the police motorcycles: https://mamot.fr/@sebu@framapiaf.org/117463417826681166

Violent "protestors" accessing police vehicle as needed: https://mamot.fr/@antyfaszysta.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy/117464474742537372

Source

During riots, people often loot markets for food and water. Which makes perfect sense: they aren't carrying a lot of resources and a night of high adrenaline rioting will exhaust and dehydrate people.

The only real solution is to provide access to cheap or free food and water throughout and after, but who is going to do that?

The stores themselves could lock up the pricey stuff and offer water access and cheapo food stuff, ask for payment, but not lock their doors or make a huff if people don't pay. But they'd have to plan for it, and not every business is going to be riot savey.

Besides, most biz are covered by insurance, so not really a big deal.

Yeah then you make a claim and your rates go up 10fold on renewal.

Bad people distort narratives regardless of the actions of others.... No matter what she did, my first wife was always the victim. DARVO is a thing, identify it and ignore it. These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting does not disqualify their complaints. Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction to the original violation against them.

Every human is a human. We are a product of our (largely shared) genetics and circumstance.

Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted. We are all the same.

People get very defensive about this, but the only counter I ever hear is "nuh uh."

Doesn't change that it's in all of us even if you don't personally act on it.

We all have it in our capacity to do great good or great evil in the world.

Trickle Down Economics created all these Sociopathic Oligarchs, and it has been obvious for decades that the benefits of Trickle Down Economics were fraudulent from the beginning. They refuse to surrender Trickle Down, so now society is spontaneously pivoting to Robin Hood Economics, and it's going to spread.

All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who'll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows.

Which is EXACTLY what the Elites do as matter of routine. They just don't like it when it gets turned on THEM.

Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted

If you strip away everything that has made them an individual, yes you're right. But I think that just highlights that your argument is a pointless distinction.

If you swapped me out at birth with a Nazi general, there's a good chance I'd be driven down the same life path.

Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they've adopted in life, that wouldn't destroy a corner shop for no reason. That wouldn't assault a woman trying to protect her place of work.

I don't give a hoot about the goods from a giant corporation. Take it all, and take the fixtures and equipment, too. Insurance will have to cover it, and another giant corporation will feel the effects, too.

Hands off Mom & Pop shops, they're not the problem, they're part of the solution.

Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction

I 100% agree.

These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting

But this doesn't mean that revolutionary action demands we hold the delusional belief that this market was looted because the protestors were on the brink of starvation or had no access to clean water or medical supplies.

They smashed that shop to bits because it was fun and an opportunity to rob some vapes.

So I'm sure you'll agree it's much better to loot an apple store or burn down a billionaires mansion rather than smash a corner shop to bits and assault other working class people.

even if you don't personally act on it.

But that's exactly why this makes all the difference. The capacity for action is meaningless, as you state, we all possess it.

First of all that was just a "nuh uh." But,

Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they've adopted in life, that wouldn't destroy a corner shop for no reason.

No human chose how to be brought into the world. Your argument is not substantive.

Empathy is the path forward. Othering outgroups is not. We have plenty of research to back this up.

I mean I see people stealing stuff, but there are a lot of valid reasons for stealing. I'm just wondering how they know the motivation behind the stealing.

Yes, but that doesn't by default make someone evil or selfish. There are stories like Robin Hood, an obvious thief, in which stealing is considered completely fine, admirable even. I'm not saying that's the case here, I'm just wondering how the original commenter knows the motivation behind people's stealing here.

Insurance will have to cover it, and another giant corporation will feel the effects, too.

Who do you think pays for the insurance?

You think they just give it away for free?

Only if you’re the type of person who looks at these people and the first thing you see is “black”

That’s on you homie

A few beheadings brought much of the prosperity, then the reign of terror occurred.

People tend to forget about that bit.

Assuming an arrow to the knee, or smth

“C'est pas la cause!”; an extraordinary brave act while surrounded by pubescent morons with short fuses.

Your argument is not substantive.

Well if your rebuttal is simply determinism then I think you'll find that nobody's arguments can possibly contain any substance.

Empathy is the path forward.

Agreed.

Othering outgroups is not

Nobody has been othered. In fact using it in this way dilutes the word as its simply rhetoric intended to censor discussion behind a purity test.