I doubt he writes code anymore and if he does he is wildly overpaid.

C still gets used for things like drivers

"Meltdown"

Have you serious never read English before? Have you managed to not read assuming it's true?

Is this the same Sweeney who defended Grok for making kiddy popcorn?

Look, I get that we're all big Epic haterd here, but this is kind of a silly complaint to leverage against them. Lore is intended to be used for game development where you have lots of large binary files, such as textures, audio files etc. The VCS itself does not have any large binary files, it's pure code, so using git is perfectly adequate. And putting a project on Github makes it significantly more accessible to potential contributors.

Again, they intend to compete with Perforce, which is what nearly every AAA game studio in the world is currently using. Not git.

All good!

In the end, I think we’re more or less in the same page. If you picked up on a tone policing vibe, I think I can see that, but that totally wasn’t where I was coming from. EG, going after all CEOs for being brain washed psychopaths who naturally use AI because they’re psychopathic would have been in line with what I was saying, at least to me.

But no need to drag this out. Appreciate your comments!

Thanks!

when is he is never in a meltdown, seems likes it every time valve hits some milestone with its customers.

he will just US AI to write it for him.

As you said, Lore is an alternative to git (a VCS), not an alternative to GitHub (a hosting platform for git repos). They don't have their own alternative to GitHub to use here.

Unless you meant why aren't they using Lore to develop Lore, but it wouldn't make sense to use a VCS intended for games and large binary files to develop software which isn't a game. Lore is a competitor to Perforce, not to git.

Good points! It's been a while since I touched either - my current job is mainly webdeb/fullstacky crap and I haven't touched c/cpp for years. Miss it though.

As with most technologies there's a humane and an inhumane way to use it. We are experiencing the inhumane version of it. The humane version would automate away the jobs no human should do, and we could actually get to a post-jobs post-scarcity world with UDI (Universal Decent Income). That would mean fewer people to not overload the planet, and no billionaires.

Generative AI has its place in automation workflows too, as a glue that connects deterministic tools.

i guess thats kind if my point.

it claims to also be designed for developers. It also claims to be for code. And perforce has a system for code reviews and merging. my understanding of these systems is the serverside code management(merge, rebase, conflict resolution) is a huge selling point.

I also understand git is the big dog and everyone loves the github workflow. But if you're going to claim you've got something better, I want to see the proof.

Post a sync to GitHub. Show off your integration tools. have your contribution guide point back to your public instance where you show off how great it is.

This just leads me to believe it sucks just as much as every other centralized vcs and the developers will happily be paid to build it but dont want to use it.

Not to mention that "Up yours!" in the end

C# is a bad example. I'm happy it became its own thing over time and has since evolved in a different direction. But it was most definitely and unabashedly Microsoft's Java clone at the start.

It was definitely a reply to Java but I’d argue it was very much Delphi/ObjectPascal with C syntax. Which makes sense with the language creator.

it claims to also be designed for developers. It also claims to be for code.

Yes, it claims to be for developers of games and other "projects with large binary assets". Of which Lore isn't an example of, so it would be the wrong tool for the job. So I'm still puzzled why you'd expect them to use it.

This just leads me to believe it sucks

I'm sure it sucks, for all the reasons your listed. Them using git is not one of them.

Yeah, you just said the same the same thing I said with different words.

Java was also based heavily on Pascal at first.

A Java Application Servers Report (2010) opens with a brief history of Java that says:

It all started back in 1991 at Sun Microsystems Corporation, […] Patrick Naugthon, […] proposed a project to his friend and CEO Scott McNealy for the development of a small, simple, portable computer environment that could control all types of electronic components.

The language must use the principle of a virtual machine […] It must also be based on the current object-oriented language, C++, […] The project went ahead under the name "green" and the language was based on an old model of USCD Pascal, which makes it possible to generate interpretive code.

The Java development team has white papers dissecting Delphi Object Pascal for the discussion and development of Java features. This one is funny in that it discusses and discards a feature of Microsoft's J++, on which Hejlsberg worked too.

post-jobs post-scarcity world

With claude. Holy shit.

You know, sociologically speaking, I'm not so sure a country of people wholly uninvolved in how their world actually works is even a good idea. It's like leaving the oven on and then going out for the day.

Generative AI has its place in automation workflows too, as a glue that connects deterministic tools.

Gen AI is already non-deterministic, so this is nonsense. Stop using words you picked up from ad-copy.

LLM driven code generation already works by gluing deterministic tools (linter, test runner, etc.) together. The LLM part is non-deterministic but the tools are deterministic. In other, limited and controlled environments this model can be extended to real physical systems. I would be surprised if automated warehouses couldn't already be controlled via English instructions.

Claude and ChatGPT are stupid because they are general purpose. They fill the empty space between their training points with bullshit. A constrained domain specific AI, even GenAI has way smaller dimensional space to fill, therefore less gaps to bridge with bullshit. It is a viable and useful technology if it is not used the way it is used by oligarchs. In oligarch hands it is a tool of deception and oppression. In productive hands it could make it possible for people to not have to toil for 40+ hours a week to survive.

Really popular among indie devs no matter what engine they're using. Kenney's stuff is engine agnostic.

This is absolutely the case with GenAI art. I get a lot of generated customer art now and I don’t even bother pointing out their obvious mistakes anymore because they never cared to begin with. If they want to hand me slop to print, I’ll give them just what they ordered.

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