Its not just that, iv had coworkers, teammates, lots of randos who are women, and/or minorities, and/or immigrants, who say the same shit! Oh the president doesnt affect me why should I vote?

First off, i work for the state, ok pres is federal but bitch why you not voting local?!? Also yes the president does have effects on your life, right down to the money on our check.

Bahhhh rant over.

Such a red flag when someone says they aren't political as a way to avoid speaking their opinions.

They know it's unpopular and will rightfully be called out.

That's exactly the problem, though - if they feel like just one part of their opinion being outside the group thing will get them chastised, well there's something wrong there. It has to be possible to disagree with people and still listen to them. Because that's how you get them to listen to you, which is the only real chance you have to change their opinion long term.

Or, you know, they're tired of talking and hearing about it 24/7.

Or, they're like me and live in a maga area

This is a double edged sword. I know a number of people who are in more right wing communities but are more left themselves that try to stay out of politics, as well.

Aren’t we all? Some of us don’t have the luxury of escaping it.

We’ve been tolerable of the intolerant long enough.

What kind of right wing communities are worthy of setting aside one’s own morals in order to belong?

I think it's more about not wanting to argue with you

Ok? That doesn't mean that you have to participate in conversations about it.

I think they mean like, their hometown

Even more of a reason to talk emphatically and with empathy about these subjects.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do, or in this case, say nothing.

Those are two very different things.

Someone who says "I'm not very political" in a maga-infused bar because they're afraid of being assaulted for being left-wing isn't really the same as "I'm tired so I'm not going to stand up for my neighbor today"

Preferring an absence of tension over the presence of justice is famously a weak moral position to take.

Yeah I don’t agree with all out avoidance myself but I can see why some people whose family or community is hard right maga would not be able to safely debate these topics in all aspects of their life.

Maybe not in all aspects of their life, but if they avoid it in every aspect, then there needs to be a reckoning within themselves. If you are quiet in the face of injustice, you are cosigning and supporting the injustice.

You people are too terminally online.

When I was online dating it was code for, "I don't want to hear your MAGA shit." I dated a lot, and talked to more women than I ended up seeing. I found zero exceptions to that code.

Or I don't give a shit about your political take while I'm at work lol. Like shit just let me drink my coffee without having to hear your amazing political takes

That's funny, whenever I saw "I'm not political" in dating apps, it was because they were hiding their MAGA shit. Women don't want to fuck conservatives (generally).

It used to be that the President didn't have a huge effect on our daily lives, but times have changed. For example, I have never seen a President single-handedly fuck up the economy at this speed. It takes some serious fuckups to move this juggernaut of an economy.

In a way I see what stabbing is saying, and yeah in magaland its sometimes better to stay quiet and make a difference in other ways without making yourself a target of violence. However, if youre around maga-lite like some folks I know who get angry when they see a rainbow flag, small comments like "why would you care about people being inclusive?" Makes them have the tiniest shred of introspection.

Uhh like all of america between the east and west coast, white suburbs etc.

I don't think they're worthy of setting aside one's own morals in order to belong though.

They’re the same as centrists. The just don’t want to be criticized for their conservative beleifs.

There are also disillusioned sorts who were into politics but have decided its a doomed project and that we're all fucked anyway. And that anytime they engage they just destroy themselves socially while everyone else around them socially thrives by being complacent.

Some peoples' rights as a human being are up in the air and they STILL stay out of politics. Or actively support the side trying to remove their rights.

The person I'd want to show this to would just agree.

This. I know a number of people who think of themselves as right wing, but if you actually listen to them their opinions are far more on the left. If you can actually listen to them, understand where they're coming from and show them empathetically who is actually fucking them over, you can do a lot more than if you staunchly refuse to have any contact with them.

And even questions like yours, although I'd rephrase it as "why does it matter to you?" That focusses the question on them without giving them something else to latch on to distract from the question.

I almost belong to the first group. Overall, I am left of most political spectrums out there, on the edge of “let’s abolish borders and institute UBI”, but I see the world going more and more right and it has been taking away from my motivation. I will still stand up for human rights, but will mostly avoid talking politics unless I have hopes of planting a seed.

I don't consider it politics anymore I just consider it life now

I don't know what you're referring to, I don't remember when we have been particularly tolerant towards people who think differently. This opinion has gotten me at least as much flak a decade or so ago as today in circles like these.

At least in the US, there was a very specific time where we were absolutely too tolerant with the intolerant and that has directly led to our political quagmire now:

Paradox of tolerance: if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

Failure to punish Confederates after the Civil War created culture of impunity that shields Trump today

Exactly...i mean full magas are a lost cause. But its the maga lite that occasionally watches fox news and gets news from Facebook that we can maybe save.

Also youre totally right. They are brainwashed to think they need to fight Demonrats and immigrants and gays, when in reality it's the billionaires we need to fight. Thats why the rih pour billions into dissent and trying to cause infighting. Its disgusting.

Exposure to the struggles of other people taught me that while my rights might not be on the chopping block right now, I'm sure as hell in line and the best way to protect myself is to protect those who are in danger now.

Trans rights are human rights.

Which very specific time are you referring to? You just linked to a Wikipedia article on the paradox of intolerance, which even explains how it's not nearly as simple as you present it. And the other article you linked is an opinion piece that shows more of a pattern than a causational relationship.

Or allow stupid to be swooned by evil.

I'm clearly referencing the time after the American Civil War when the traitors weren't punished enough.

... And there are many years between then and now. I was talking about the last few decades.

But you know, you have kind of proven my point ITT. You may not be outright chastising anyone, but you're pretty sarcastic with anyone who doesn't agree with you and act like your opinion is the only correct one and anyone with a different one is less than you. People don't like being treated like that, so no wonder they just say "I don't do politics" - because they probably have more self respect than I do.

It's not my fault that you didn't read my comment that was perfectly clear that the time I was referencing was right after the American Civil War.

I wasn't being sarcastic despite you reading it that way. You were wrong. Deal with it.

q.e.d.

I think it is a difference in culture as well, in this case. Here it is still kind of normal, to avoid talking politics, since it is considered personal, and that in many situations makes it impolite. So it can really be about not wanting to interact, and not just an attempt to hide conservative values.

Of course I'm being sarcastic to you now, you settled on personal attacks after it was revealed you were in the wrong.

I think it's more like "I have no idea how the world around me works, I've never cracked a book I wasn't forced to."

You want people to act like conservatives in interpersonal communication?

And they were never forced to because their rights were never threatened...

Some people are just really stupid, unfortunately.