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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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Canajan piefed.ca Canajan@piefed.ca
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Also write a very sternly worded letter, that’ll get their attention.

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ceenote lemmy.world ceenote@lemmy.world
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US.

Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

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GodlessCommie Moderator K1nsey6@lemmy.world
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

EVERY SINGLE right you have right now is the result of violence and riot.

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IrateAnteater sh.itjust.works IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

That's because Americans do it wrong. The people in charge know that there is no real solidarity amongst the population, so they can just wait it out. The riots won't spread, won't last longer than a week or two at worst, and everything will go right back to the status quo once the new shiny distraction comes out.

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cmbabul slrpnk.net cmbabul@slrpnk.net
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

This is not actually true, a great deal of credit for the passing of the Civil Rights Act can and should be attributed to nationwide riots that took place in the week directly following Martin Luther King Juniors assassination. Known as the Holy Week Uprising. The American public education system purposely doesn’t talk about this and pushes the peaceful protest angle to prevent any meaningful organizing. It can easily work here too

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Fizz lemmy.nz Fizz@lemmy.nz
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EVERY SINGLE right you have right now is the result of violence and riot.
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hayvan piefed.world hayvan@piefed.world
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America when kids are literally murdered at shool: "the soind of children screaming has been removed"

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Tylerdurdon lemmy.world Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

It never does. Haven't you seen what the French government is now trying to do? They're claiming it's leftist separatists doing this and it has nothing to do with schools. They will try everything to delegitimize instead of doing the right thing. Cost benefit analysis will be run later and they might learn a thing, but mostly don't.

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saltesc lemmy.world saltesc@lemmy.world
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lol, the downvotes.

"They're calling us out as pussies! We know how to deal with that!" doots an internet icon. waits for reward. forgets what's going on because back in the feed.

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mirshafie europe.pub mirshafie@europe.pub
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Democracy and "liberalism" is a result of violence and rioting.

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punkisundead [they/them] slrpnk.net punkisundead@slrpnk.net
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lol, the downvotes. "They're calling us out as pussies! We know how to deal with that!" doots an internet icon. waits for reward. forgets what's going on because back in the feed.

No I downvoted because americans have had plenty of inspirational riots, even just in the last few years. Like the George Floyd uprising or J20 or standing rock. Its just annoying when people seem to forget or ignore history. And when they compare the actions of liberal parties and youth/left wing protestors. Of course those are not the same...

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thru_dangers_untold lemmy.world thru_dangers_untold@lemmy.world
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Hey, now. The US has underfunded schools, too!

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Gladaed feddit.org Gladaed@feddit.org
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jsjskt jlai.lu jsjskt@jlai.lu
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

I recommend reading "A People's History of The United States" by Howard Zinn. Great book! And still relevant today

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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

Meanwhile the entire country fellates slave-owning tax dodgers who started such a big riot it turned into a civil war.

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apiaceae quokk.au apiaceae@quokk.au
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I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US. Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

It is a cruel irony that this great promise of democracy is rarely realized in practice. Most of the great political reforms of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries have been accompanied by massive episodes of civil disobedience, riot, lawbreaking, the disruption of public order, and, at the limit, civil war. Such tumult not only accompanied dramatic political changes but was often absolutely instrumental in bringing them about. Representative institutions and elections by themselves, sadly, seem rarely to bring about major changes in the absence of the force majeure afforded by, say, an economic depression or international war. Owing to the concentration of property and wealth in liberal democracies and the privileged access to media, culture, and political influence these positional advantages afford the richest stratum, it is little wonder that, as Gramsci noted, giving the working class the vote did not translate into radical political change. Ordinary parliamentary politics is noted more for its immobility than for facilitating major reforms.

We are obliged; if this assessment is broadly true, to confront the paradox of the contribution of lawbreaking and disruption to democratic political change. Taking the twentieth-century United States as a case in point, we can identify two major policy reform periods, the Great Depression of the 1930s and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. What is most striking about each, from this perspective, is the vital role massive disruption and threats to public order played in the process of reform.

The great policy shifts represented by the institution of unemployment compensation, massive public works projects, social security aid, and the Agricultural Adjustment Act were, to be sure, abetted by the emergency of the world depression. But the way in which the economic emergency made its political weight felt was not through statistics on income and unemployment but through rampant strikes, looting, rent boycotts, quasi-violent sieges of relief offices, and riots that put what my mother would have called “the fear of God” in business and political elites. They were thoroughly alarmed at what seemed at the time to be potentially revolutionary ferment. The ferment in question was, in the first instance, not institutionalized. That is to say, it was not initially shaped by political parties, trade unions, or recognizable social movements. It represented no coherent policy agenda. Instead it was genuinely unstructured, chaotic, and full of menace to the established order. For this very reason, there was no one to bargain with, no one to credibly offer peace in return for policy changes. The menace was directly proportional to its lack of institutionalization. One could bargain with a trade union or a progressive reform movement, institutions that were geared into the institutional machinery. A strike was one thing, a wildcat strike was another: even the union bosses couldn’t call off a wildcat strike. A demonstration, even a massive one, with leaders was one thing, a rioting mob was another. There were no coherent demands, no one to talk to.

James C Scott, Two Cheers for Anarchism

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lobut lemmy.ca lobut@lemmy.ca
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They should still vote. Not sure why that's off the table entirely.

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kingofras lemmy.world kingofras@lemmy.world
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EVERY SINGLE right you have right now is the result of violence and riot.

I saw you are anti electoralism. I’d love someone to explain: you want violence but not the non violent way too? Why is that mutually exclusive to you?

Voting now does not exclude burning down the place afterwards? The Jan 6ers voted twice prior to taking a shit on a desk. If they can do it, surely we can too?

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RockBottom feddit.org RockBottom@feddit.org
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Consequences matter. French have rioted before …

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Murse slrpnk.net Murse@slrpnk.net
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protist Member Joined: 2026-03-10
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I'm trying really hard to understand...is this tweet screenshot aiming to discourage Americans from voting?

I'm also genuinely curious where these riots in France are going to end up. What's changed so far? From my perspective in the US, it seems they might've pushed a big segment of moderates away and made it more likely the far right will win the next election. Oh yeah, did you know they vote in France, too? Because it's a fucking democracy.

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Murse slrpnk.net Murse@slrpnk.net
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I'm trying really hard to understand...is this tweet screenshot aiming to discourage Americans from voting? I'm also genuinely curious where these riots in France are going to end up. What's changed so far? From my perspective in the US, it seems they might've pushed a big segment of moderates away and made it more likely the far right will win the next election. Oh yeah, did you know they vote...
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protist Member Joined: 2026-03-10
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This is not actually true, a great deal of credit for the passing of the Civil Rights Act can and should be attributed to nationwide riots that took place in the week directly following Martin Luther King Juniors assassination. Known as the Holy Week Uprising. The American public education system purposely doesn’t talk about this and pushes the peaceful protest angle to prevent any meaningful o...

The Civil Rights Act that people commonly refer to as "The Civil Rights Act" passed on July 2, 1964. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968. The Civil Rights Act of 1968, passed in the wake of the MLK assassination and Holy Week Uprising, is more limited in scope than the 1964 bill and mostly covers Native American rights and Fair Housing.

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Skeezix lemmy.world skeezix@lemmy.world
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They should still vote. Not sure why that's off the table entirely.

The meme is wrong. Instead of “: vote” it should say “: do nothing “

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DonkeyStar lemmy.world DonkeyStar@lemmy.world
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Americans did riot not that long ago. Threatened to hang the vice president, had zipties to kidnap politicians, wiped shit on the walls, killed some cops. It was a whole thing.

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katy ✨ piefed.blahaj.zone cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
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i mean that kinda ignores what la, minnesota, new york, etc did earlier this year.. especially considering people were murdered by ice because of it.

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aaa999 lemmy.world aaa999@lemmy.world
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BigDiction lemmy.world BigDiction@lemmy.world
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I’m definitely impressed with the French coordination. It’s not just one or two cities, but a nearly nation wide movement of both non violent and some violent actions.

That’s a lot of people on the same page for an particular issue. Last time Americans agreed like that was because a lot people across the spectrum do not like the way they’ve been treated by cops.

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Zarxrax lemmy.world Zarxrax@lemmy.world
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French police probably don't murder the rioters.

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Hobo lemmy.world Hobo@lemmy.world
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i mean that kinda ignores what la, minnesota, new york, etc did earlier this year.. especially considering people were murdered by ice because of it.

I don't think propaganda is based in facts.

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Kaligalis lemmy.world Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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Muricans know very well how to fight - as long as it's not in their own country and not for freedom and democracy.

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Kaligalis lemmy.world Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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I don't think propaganda is based in facts.

Good propaganda is. The recipe is to use some facts and add a cause, derive a conclusion, exaggerate the fact, mention other facts irrelevant in the context but implying something in combination...
Just lying gets you the people already in you camp. The others don't have a reason to believe you. But if you add some facts, the lies become easier to believe if the person doesn't already know better.

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Kaligalis lemmy.world Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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Consequences matter. French have rioted before …

I wonder whether the famous French revolution would even be possible with all the surveillance tech of today.

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Kaligalis lemmy.world Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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That's a bit extreme. But yeah, the US constitution actually legalizes Luigi in extreme cases. And if the next election would somehow just not happen for a year that would probably the exact case that rule had been written for.

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ElAndvari lemmy.world ElAndvari@lemmy.world
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Texas is larger than France, can we stop making these comparisons?

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Hobo lemmy.world Hobo@lemmy.world
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Good propaganda is. The recipe is to use some facts and add a cause, derive a conclusion, exaggerate the fact, mention other facts irrelevant in the context but implying something in combination... Just lying gets you the people already in you camp. The others don't have a reason to believe you. But if you add some facts, the lies become easier to believe if the person doesn't already know better.

You're right! Should've put "necessarily" based on facts. At the very least that propaganda distorts facts. Basically propaganda doesn't really care about being factual and will go out of its way to ignore inconvenient facts.

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Peacepath lemmy.world peacepath@lemmy.world
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I'm trying really hard to understand...is this tweet screenshot aiming to discourage Americans from voting? I'm also genuinely curious where these riots in France are going to end up. What's changed so far? From my perspective in the US, it seems they might've pushed a big segment of moderates away and made it more likely the far right will win the next election. Oh yeah, did you know they vote...

From a french point of view, the far right is mostly gaining ground in the medias, people tend to support the high school kids. Also, we are used that important movements of protest be surrounded by black blocks, police disguised into rioter to rise violence, and thiefs coming to still easy targets. Some real manifestants have been extremly violent on some police officer, but exceptionally.

Some of the most dangerous amunition of riot police has been changed for a bit less dangerous ones... not a big victory yet. Parents tend to take side with their kids, teachers too, and a large part of those having younger kids. Those turning to far right were just waiting for an excuse to do so, the good news is that kids know how to fight (they will need it again soon).

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QueenHawlSera piefed.blahaj.zone QueenHawlSera@piefed.blahaj.zone
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#40 · Quote Reply

Protesting quietly, on the weekend, in a non-disruptive fashion is as good as we can do.

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QueenHawlSera piefed.blahaj.zone QueenHawlSera@piefed.blahaj.zone
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Americans did riot not that long ago. Threatened to hang the vice president, had zipties to kidnap politicians, wiped shit on the walls, killed some cops. It was a whole thing.

Only the Right is willing to fight, and that's not good.

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Geth lemmy.dbzer0.com Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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No I downvoted because americans have had plenty of inspirational riots, even just in the last few years. Like the George Floyd uprising or J20 or standing rock. Its just annoying when people seem to forget or ignore history. And when they compare the actions of liberal parties and youth/left wing protestors. Of course those are not the same...

I think no one is impressed or remembering because these events don't seem to have produced any meaningful change. The french get what they ask for every time because they escalate until they do.

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Geth lemmy.dbzer0.com Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Rioting = participatory democracy

Voting for status quo defined by elite = not actual democracy

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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i mean that kinda ignores what la, minnesota, new york, etc did earlier this year.. especially considering people were murdered by ice because of it.

Those cities did nothing effective.

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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I'm trying really hard to understand...is this tweet screenshot aiming to discourage Americans from voting? I'm also genuinely curious where these riots in France are going to end up. What's changed so far? From my perspective in the US, it seems they might've pushed a big segment of moderates away and made it more likely the far right will win the next election. Oh yeah, did you know they vote...

This is a communist space, communists are not democrats, we dont vote for democrats.

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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The only thing that pops up around election time is liberals mildly start to pay attention. Our message is consistent

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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What bad is trash liberals that think they are the good guys

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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I saw you are anti electoralism. I’d love someone to explain: you want violence but not the non violent way too? Why is that mutually exclusive to you? Voting now does not exclude burning down the place afterwards? The Jan 6ers voted twice prior to taking a shit on a desk. If they can do it, surely we can too?

The state speaks one language, and not its peace. If you dont speak to a person in the one language they understand, they wont understand

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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I recommend reading "A People's History of The United States" by Howard Zinn. Great book! And still relevant today

Anyone with a political opinion needs to read this before spouting off their opinion. What we see in this country right now is exactly who this country has always been.

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SaltyAmerican lemmy.world SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world
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#50 · Quote Reply

Texas is larger than France, can we stop making these comparisons?

And that country smaller than Texas knows how to fight against their government

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ElAndvari lemmy.world ElAndvari@lemmy.world
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And that country smaller than Texas knows how to fight against their government

Well yes, it's easier to have solidarity with smaller numbers.

It's more likely for Californians and Texans to fight that Parisians and those from Versailles.

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