No no, you stated the investors made the decision. I say, I don't believe it without evidence. Until then it didn't happen.

Also BTW, isn't this an indie company without investors at all? So I don't know what you talking about. I do not believe investors cancelled the demo of the game. If you cannot prove it, then I don't believe you.

Why do you get to release something that is closed source in the first place? Anyone could copy a book or clay tablet if they wanted through all of history.

What would a world look like where everything is open sourced? You can still sell open source games

They created completely derivative product and tell how derivatives are bad in the article because 'ai'.

How do you know?

They foss, not free.

I have eyes.

You played a game with your eyes that is not even out yet? Not bad.

You can watch a video where other people play the game, it's a popular pastime, you should try. In this case short video of the game is available on steam page, so people would be able to watch how game looks and plays before lending after it comes out.

Not really a motte and bailey I don't think, motte and bailey requires 2 positions one untenable and one irrefutable, in this case he just got provided evidence then changed his standard for being proven wrong which is 100% moving the goalpost.

I saw an indie game that was basically a cafe manager sim and it's sad to me that 90% of that game could absolutely be instantly cloned with AI, not the dialogue but every one of the systems the dev spent so much time on.

You still don't know what the full game entails.

Yes, most stuff is a combination of stuff that came before but the way one combinates it makes it special.

So if you show your whole hand before release it makes it easier for copycats to beat you as the kreative work was already done.

And with ai which makes it possible to make stuff faster with money, those with more money will again Diktate the market.

This isn't so much "because ai" but more "because of ai you lose first move advantage to people with more money"

I hope that makes it clearer.

Gamepass is a full game, not tiered games where you can choose what content you would want.

I could see how you would think it’s the same thoug, but it’s not at all. Being able to play a game for free with limited details is what people want. Not everyone can play 4k/120 lmfao. And the single dev that wants to spend the time can now have a product for multiple kinds of clients.

Well, what one could argue is that "Tetris isn't number one" was the untenable position, and "capitalism has sold more overall" was the irrefutable one.

Oh well, the 2 fallacies are very similar with a big overlap, but if I may summarize it down to the point that I find most important:

If someone is proven wrong and they don't take full responsibility for that (e.g. by trying to quickly push the discussion somewhere else where they're not wrong), talking to them won't lead you to the truth.

Mindustry is paid on Steam? Thats not FOSS that’s just open source.

Mindustry has also been paid since launch, its open source, not FOSS.

What part of free did you miss from their comment? Those are only open source games, not FOSS like they specified.

FOSS means free and open source software mate.

Like this doesn’t happen in any other socio-economic system

We would know if capitalists didn't literally handicap and shoot every other socioeconomic system.

Or are out that "kid" that thinks Nazi Germany was socialist and current China is communist.

It's wild you're getting downvoted here. Almost as wild as implying Tetris selling a lot of copies proves that communism leads to better games

They can only copy some things, what makes your art special is that you made it. People can feel that. Also it's moonlighter, it's not like it's a super unique game in the first place.

Yes and that is you, the studio and publisher that thinks creating games is a factory for making money for the investors and publishers.

But it is not.

It was always art

Yeah. It’s ridiculous the reach they go to when they think they have their little gotcha! moment.

You sound like one of those people that get all angsty about some songs having the same chords in them.

Can't trust your average person to see the difference.

This is not good for creators.

this is how microsoft works

Ok, that make sense.

• Free as in freedom, not beer
• You can also get them for free by compiling or (for Mindustry) via itch.io or Flathub.

Has GNUv3 license

• Free as in freedom, not beer
• You can get it for free on itch.io or Flathub

It is FOSS, see other comments.

I’m tired

Idk if it really counts as non-capitalist, but I played Dwarf Fortress for well over a decade before you could even pay for it 😂

“Astonishing! This Adam Smith fellow writes screeds against Mercantilism using quill and parchment created by Mercantilism!”

Shovelware gets harder to sell? I'd count that as a win!

this is a bad idea imo. until it hits the market and it's ready to be paid for, someone with more resources WILL take your unique idea

You do you, but that's not going to engender respect in others with your writing. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I'm more or less trying to help, and intended the first comment to be in jest.

Isn't this capitalism? A few decades ago the game industry feared illegal copies would destroy it. We got all kind of crappy copyright protections.

Usually when something is great, people want to use it, distribute it, and improve it. If everything is closed sources and guarded for profit, arts and music would be very different. Everyone is "inspired" by others, even if they all think it's their own idea. Even languages copy on each other.

If the goal is only to make a game for profit, keep it exclusive, I can't say I have a lot of sympathy.

EDIT: In the 80ies there were clones of popular games too, and the industry complained about copies, and survived.
https://1900hotdog.com/2020/06/nerding-day-donkey-kong-ripoffs/

I made the claim that your hypothesis is irrational and lacking support, and followed up with why. Double down all you like. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Unfortunately true. The average person seems to be decently happy with vibecoded slop, whether is games or other applications. Just look at how people are all over these hella vibecoded game recomps or PS5 emulators. They are going crazy for them. They have no principles in that regard, they just wanna mindlessly consume, consume, and consume.

I wouldn't touch that shit, out of principle, and who knows what godforsaken code these vibecoders had AI hallucinate, I would not want to execute this on my PC, maybe my worst enemies'.

I'm not at all angsty about this, it just looks bad when they say you can't copy our 'ideas' (also all of themwere copied).

I think that relies on the assumption that every tower defence game is a copy of the original; same for roguelikes and Metroidvania games. That's a huge assumption that isn't really true at all, IMO. There is a LOT of variety within each genre.

I heard a good argument for it that you can still learn something from it and it also teaches you how to argue against people who are being bad faith, but you also have to be aware that they're doing it. Though generally yeah most of the time it's going to be boxing with ghosts xp

Computer gaming is going to evolve into something new. The writing is on the wall. Give it a couple more years and a kiddie script coder will be able to recreate pretty much any game from scratch. I think games are going to become more collaborative and the AAA game studios are going to lose their asses because they won't be able to adapt.

You're making a moving the goalpost fallacy, a false analogy fallacy, a false dilemma/TINA fallacy, a strawman fallacy, a non sequitur fallacy, and an irrelevant premise fallacy, all of them at the same time.

The fucking point is:

1. Capitalism is being forced into everyone and if anyone dares to refuse it and try something different, they're fucking destroying these people.
2. That one system is the only one we know and it looks like if it were successful, it doesn't mean that it's succesful and good.

The core gameplay of Vampire Survivors was directly inspired by a South Korean mobile game called Magic Survival, developed by an indie creator named LEME and released on Android in late 2019.

happened in the 80's with over saturation of shitty titles. Nintendo had to invent a seal specifically because of too many shitty games. Other companies developed their own methods of verification (Gabe Newell famously is an ex Microsoft employee) ID literally creates the .bsp file type. NOBODY else had this technology or access

The result was: innovation. in the years following the 80s game crash after we got classics like Mario 64, Half life and Doom.

I do this all the time and so do my coworkers. In fact, it's enshrined in our employment agreement that all our industry relate ideas are company owned. It's absolutely an abusive and exploitative system, no better represented today than by capitalism.

You made the claim that their investors made the choice to take the demo away. I asked for evidence, which you still lack and talk like fluff only. I don't believe your claim until you prove it.

That's not what it means to be a copycat. No one talks about games being inspired.