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Auth lemmy.world Auth@lemmy.world
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#52 · Quote Reply

When was apple ever does more cost less. It was always does less costs more. Up until their M1 series release where they actually started having decent hardware. Even then though im still pretty sure they only won in perf per watt and still lost in perf per dollar.

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samus12345 sh.itjust.works samus12345@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-03
#53 · Quote Reply

It was. I'm thinking about running for School Board to bring back actual computer classes.

That would be impressively proactive, you should!

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Xatolos reddthat.com Xatolos@reddthat.com
Joined: 2023-06-30
#54 · Quote Reply

it means the CLI has about 70% of the same stuff that Linux has in its CLI i personally find it very useful as it makes scripting for macos easier since its so much closer to bash

"So much closer to BASH"

BASH isnt Unix though. Why use something close to BASH and not use full GNU BASH? This sounds counter intuitive. And doesnt make sense in declaring UNIX certification is better, since you are declaring that you want something as close to BASH but Unix isnt BASH. If you want BASH, use Linux, not ZSH on MacOS.

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Maya S. Trojan piefed.blahaj.zone maya_s_trojan@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-10-12
#55 · Quote Reply

"So much closer to BASH" BASH isnt Unix though. Why use something close to BASH and not use full GNU BASH? This sounds counter intuitive. And doesnt make sense in declaring UNIX certification is better, since you are declaring that you want something as close to BASH but Unix isnt BASH. If you want BASH, use Linux, not ZSH on MacOS.

you know you could also just let people use what works for them

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tyler programming.dev tyler@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
#56 · Quote Reply

What do you do with a Mac?

all the same stuff? it's bsd under the hood. it literally functions just like linux. I run cachy on my desktop and while kde plasma is great, mac is fantastic as well. about the only thing better on linux is that I can game.

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bold_omi lemmy.today bold_omi@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-02-22
#57 · Quote Reply

Apple has never cost less than most competitors. And its OS has always cost more than free alternatives.

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bold_omi lemmy.today bold_omi@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-02-22
#58 · Quote Reply

Almost like the 'generations' are clusters as imaginary as races and we should all stop pretending they're real.

Yes.

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AVincentInSpace pawb.social AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
Joined: 2023-09-13
#59 · Quote Reply

Apple has never cost less than most competitors. And its OS has always cost more than free alternatives.

It was literally never true. The Commodore 64 came out months before the Apple IIe, cost half as much, and wiped the floor with it in terms of capabilities.

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Goldholz lemmy.blahaj.zone Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-12-12
#60 · Quote Reply

Almost like the 'generations' are clusters as imaginary as races and we should all stop pretending they're real.

Yep

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-27
#61 · Quote Reply

It actually was their slogan back then. Until they noticed people are dumb and easily manipulatable

Last new Mac I bought was the 2006 Mac Pro. The first x86 tower. I still consider it a good value because it was modular and upgradable and I did do many repairs and upgrades to it over the 10 years I ran the thing. I wasn't impressed with the cylinder, so my next machine after that was a hackintosh and I'm still using the hardware form that even though I stopped dual booting when Apple dropped 32bit support.

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-27
#62 · Quote Reply

I blame Apple for making the Zoomers as tech illiterate as the Boomers

Google and Chromebooks were worse.

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#63 · Quote Reply

It actually was their slogan back then which period "back then" are you referring to? 1976 maybe? the Apple I was affordable (at just $666.66 😄) compared to other kits at the time, but the Apple II (1977) cost more than twice what a TRS-80 did and afaik since then Apple has always positioned itself as a premium brand. i don't recall them ever having a comparative-price-related marketing slogan ...

Not THAT old.l, but old-ish.

Some website

And I surely didn't wanted to imply that they actually we're cheaper. Just that it was their slogan.

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#64 · Quote Reply

Guess the 75-80% of other folks I work with are stupid noobs for using a Mac and never did anything because it was so locked down.

Well, you either care for freedom and privacy, or you don't. MacOS might have its benefits (and surely beats Microsoft), but the price is too high. And I don't mean the financial one.

Personally, I've yet to see someone that really KNOWS computers but prefers Apple. Those, that just want a device that works without magic, are usually the ones going for it.
To a very special kind of people it's even a brand-thing.

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Boomer Humor Doomergod lemmy.world Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-15
#65 · Quote Reply

Well, you either care for freedom and privacy, or you don't. MacOS might have its benefits (and surely beats Microsoft), but the price is too high. And I don't mean the financial one. Personally, I've yet to see someone that really KNOWS computers but prefers Apple. Those, that just want a device that works without magic, are usually the ones going for it. To a very special kind of people it's ...

It’s a work computer. I have neither freedom nor privacy.

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#66 · Quote Reply

Last new Mac I bought was the 2006 Mac Pro. The first x86 tower. I still consider it a good value because it was modular and upgradable and I did do many repairs and upgrades to it over the 10 years I ran the thing. I wasn't impressed with the cylinder, so my next machine after that was a hackintosh and I'm still using the hardware form that even though I stopped dual booting when Apple dropped...

My last (and first) was a mac-vm 😁
Wouldn't personally touch those things. Or only offline or behind a firewalled router. Same as google or microslop.

Back then (even before their does-more-cost-less ads) they were just a joke. Today they're...well...🤷🏻

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#67 · Quote Reply

It’s a work computer. I have neither freedom nor privacy.

Well, then others made that decision for you. If you like Mac or not stopped mattering then 😉

Luckily in these few times I tried working, I had the choice. Would've quit if there were privacy - concerns, though I might be a bit picky with my data...

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Boomer Humor Doomergod lemmy.world Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-15
#68 · Quote Reply

Well, then others made that decision for you. If you like Mac or not stopped mattering then 😉 Luckily in these few times I tried working, I had the choice. Would've quit if there were privacy - concerns, though I might be a bit picky with my data...

I will ad that lately people working on Limux
Machines has become much more common. However, they still make me do the demos because every screen sharing app works on my Mac, no matter what the client is using.

(Plus I’m good at demos.)

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#69 · Quote Reply

I will ad that lately people working on Limux Machines has become much more common. However, they still make me do the demos because every screen sharing app works on my Mac, no matter what the client is using. (Plus I’m good at demos.)

Well of course they work on Mac. It's a closed system, a walled garden of compability. Its main selling-point for the technically challenged.

I would not really see that a a benefit though, as it's merely a symptom of an illness, even if inherently not bad by itself.
If one doesn't care, then there's no problem at all and mac wins. Same as windows and android. Then it comes down to taste in UI or favourite tools.
Or even "the brand" for the intellectually challenged.

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Boomer Humor Doomergod lemmy.world Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-15
#70 · Quote Reply

Well of course they work on Mac. It's a closed system, a walled garden of compability. Its main selling-point for the technically challenged. I would not really see that a a benefit though, as it's merely a symptom of an illness, even if inherently not bad by itself. If one doesn't care, then there's no problem at all and mac wins. Same as windows and android. Then it comes down to taste in UI ...

So things working is an illness. If computers are healthy and free things don’t work. Got it.

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#71 · (edited) Quote Reply

So things working is an illness. If computers are healthy and free things don’t work. Got it.

As said, it all depends on the foundation if you value your data/freedom or not. If not, then fine, everything ia great.
But many of us do to one extent or another.
And then it's pretty obvious.

It's not the working that is the illness, but the reason it does. I like when shit just works, I juggle 20 machines at home 😁

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Boomer Humor Doomergod lemmy.world Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-15
#72 · Quote Reply

As said, it all depends on the foundation if you value your data/freedom or not. If not, then fine, everything ia great. But many of us do to one extent or another. And then it's pretty obvious. It's not the working that is the illness, but the reason it does. I like when shit just works, I juggle 20 machines at home 😁

It’s not my data or freedom, it’s my employer’s.

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Dyskolos lemmy.zip Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-10-01
#73 · Quote Reply

It’s not my data or freedom, it’s my employer’s.

OK, then you, personally, are kinda safe-ish if you never do personal stuff on your work-machine. Fine. But most apple products are in private hands, not a mandated work-tool people can't escape.

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onlinepersona programming.dev onlinepersona@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-09-01
#74 · Quote Reply

Schools stopped teaching basic computer skills in the 2010s. The assumption was, that since technology is becoming ubiquitous, that the kids would already know the basics.

I hate how tech YouTube's keep saying "the Chromebook is grat for students". No it's not! It is a locked down piece of crap that students can't even write their own programs for in the machine itself.

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ElDuderino lemmus.org ElDuderino@lemmus.org
Joined: 2026-08-13
#75 · Quote Reply

I hate how tech YouTube's keep saying "the Chromebook is grat for students". No it's not! It is a locked down piece of crap that students can't even write their own programs for in the machine itself.

You can't even install your own programs or save anything to disk. Its truly an abomination.

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