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UiUiUiUiUi piefed.nl UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl
Joined: 2026-09-24
#52 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of XMPP clients out there that work great... finding one that supports all the features you actually care about...now that's the hard part. XMPP has too many opt in extensions and it's very hit and miss with clients

A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app.

Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.

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Scoopta programming.dev Scoopta@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-29
#53 · Quote Reply

A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app. Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.

Yes, you basically restated my point, I'm not really disagreeing, but saying there aren't any clients isn't really the case either.

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nightlily leminal.space nightlily@leminal.space
Joined: 2024-08-08
#54 · Quote Reply

Calling IRC a shitty standard sure is a take.

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DeadDigger lemmy.zip DeadDigger@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-08-24
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

Consider me ignorant but whats the USB-C situation ?

Well ... Sigh in short because it is meaningless.

As a condensed half true and a bit hyperbole summary:
Usb-c is first and foremost just a connector definition. So getting a usb-c cable is basically saying you will have a cable with this plug and a specific wire configuration. But you can omit wires if you don't need them and still have a USB c cable. So from the phyisical definition this means your cable can have a plug that connects into a socket and is not wired internally at all. You can still call this a USB cable. That is why apple usb-c cables are often unable to transfer data, for example. This is done for downward compatibility with the USB standard.

The USB standard defines the functional properties of a USB cable. Depending on which version, which can be any number between 1.0 and 3.2 or thunderbolt, you have different lower and upper bounds that are possible. Except with USB 1.0 to 3.0 you don't have lower bounds, you can omit parts of the specification completely and you can still call it a USB 2 or whatever cable. This means just because you have a USB c cable it does not give you any information about it's capabilities. Except if it is thunderbolt or USB 3.2 because these have minimum requirements.

Because the functional and constructional definition is so wide ranged the standard does not give you any meaningful information. Which means it's basically useless.

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TrippaSnippa aussie.zone TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-07-31
#56 · (edited) Quote Reply

I am guessing that they are referring to the situation, that while all usb-c can be connected to each other you can have very different ones. Fast data transfer and slow. 10 watt and 100 watt and so on

My Pixel 10 Pro XL is allegedly capable of fast charging at up to 45W. Great, I have a 65W charger, let's give it a go - it tops out at 22.5W no matter what. Alright, I'll try my 30W charger - only 15W now. How about the 20W one, will that work? Nope, still only 15W.

I do some searching and found out that the Pixel needs a charger that supports PPS rather than just PD to achieve higher charging speeds. So I find a 45W charger that supports PPS. Finally, let's give it a go! ... 24-25W maximum. Turns out that yes, it does support PPS, but not up to 21V which the Pixel needs to charge at 37-38W (and it won't go up to 45W despite Google's claim that it's capable of that).

All that said, that has nothing to do with the connector cable. It's just that USB charging standards are a mess.

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Auth lemmy.world Auth@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-11
#57 · Quote Reply

Calling IRC a shitty standard sure is a take.

IRC is dogshit

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Auth lemmy.world Auth@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-11
#58 · Quote Reply

Why is matrix expensive?

people think anything more than 2cores and 2gb of ram is to much. Plus there is a lightweight 400mb matrix but its ignored.

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NotAnonymousAtAll feddit.org NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-06-22
#59 · Quote Reply

Adding yet another standard to the list of competing standards is not the right move.

Just giving up and doing nothing is also not the right move (if you are in a position to actually do something and you have reason to care).

The right move:

Look at the details of all the competing standards. Evaluate their technical merit. Evaluate their organizational setup and potential to improve. Pick one. Push for its universal adoption and/or improvement.

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MinnesotaGoddam lemmy.world HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-27
#60 · Quote Reply

That's not on USB C mate. Shitty products will always exist. Like some can only be powered/charged from USB A to C, not C to C, since they didn't add a resistor to the CC line. A microscopic sub 1 cent part.

it's on that usb c. piece of shit wire can't even boof it

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Psythik lemmy.world Psythik@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-21
#61 · Quote Reply

IRC is dogshit
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myszka lemmy.ml myszka@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-10-16
#62 · Quote Reply

There's DeltaChat!

Also Fluxer, a FOSS Discord clone, is getting beta federation this year.

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faerbit sh.itjust.works faerbit@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-04-14
#63 · Quote Reply

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It's a protocol you numpty. If you don't like the UI, built a better one.

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EmptyAsparagus piefed.social EmptyAsparagus@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-03-29
#64 · (edited) Quote Reply

Onboarding is the same as for email, which most people seem to pass just fine. Fedi instance is analogous to an email provider. I would even vouch to move from the ' instance' hosting-based terminology to the ' provider' user-centric terminology. IMO it's the content discovery across instances and the subtler implications of your chosen provider that are harder to grasp.

its great that you can explain that, its not at all obvious to people new to the space. email is way more common, too, so IMHO not really comparable.

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grrgyle slrpnk.net grrgyle@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-03-18
#65 · Quote Reply

Fediverse is better at everything except onboarding. The access methods are complicated and ill explained for users who expect an app and simple signup. Regular users have no idea what an instance is. Even people who are TRYING to join the fediverse willingly pile in lemmy.world because it’s the default on most apps. There needs to be a round robin assigner to instances that opt in in order to ...

I love this round robin instance assigner idea.

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grrgyle slrpnk.net grrgyle@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-03-18
#66 · Quote Reply

If someone uploads a photo or video, the server hosts it and sends to everyone. Expensive

Of give each user like 50mb of space then make them use a link for God's sake

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#67 · Quote Reply

Well ... Sigh in short because it is meaningless. As a condensed half true and a bit hyperbole summary: Usb-c is first and foremost just a connector definition. So getting a usb-c cable is basically saying you will have a cable with this plug and a specific wire configuration. But you can omit wires if you don't need them and still have a USB c cable. So from the phyisical definition this means...
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HugeNerd lemmy.ca HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-06
#68 · Quote Reply

USB-C

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nastronot lemmy.zip nastronot@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-10-15
#69 · Quote Reply

I love this round robin instance assigner idea.

I’m know there’s things I haven’t thought of but getting them in is most important.

Call it an incubator flag or whatever. Get them in so they can learn what all this has to offer. As they gain knowledge they can make a choice where they end up.

Presenting a user with a list of instances with weird dorky names is the fastest way to get a normie to delete an app. Unless that’s what you want: a fedi-filter

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Something Burger 🍔 jlai.lu SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
Joined: 2023-08-11
#70 · Quote Reply

USB-C

Situation : there are 14 USB 3 standards

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LegoBrickOnFire lemmy.world LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-08-07
#71 · Quote Reply

A friend made this:

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partofthevoice lemmy.zip partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-26
#72 · Quote Reply

I genuinely thought it was a reference to the other four thing currently happening...

What other four thing?

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SwooshBakery624 [they/them] programming.dev SwooshBakery624@programming.dev
Joined: 2024-11-23
#73 · Quote Reply

A friend made this:

This is amazing.

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HugeNerd lemmy.ca HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-06
#74 · Quote Reply

Situation : there are 14 USB 3 standards

I like the USB-PD standards piling up on top of each other.

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Ephera lemmy.ml Ephera@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-05-31
#75 · Quote Reply

What other four thing?

One of the global certificate authorities used a private key which's value was 4. As in, that is the entire private key in its full length.

It's part of this incident, which you've probably heard of: https://emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/

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fibojoly sh.itjust.works fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-15
#76 · Quote Reply

IRC is dogshit

That's like... your opinion, man.

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Psythik lemmy.world Psythik@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-21
#77 · Quote Reply

It's a protocol you numpty. If you don't like the UI, built a better one.
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Psythik lemmy.world Psythik@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-21
#78 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's a protocol you numpty. If you don't like the UI, built a better one.

I don't run an IRC server so forgive my ignorance. The unprompted insult was unnecessary

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canaryWart programming.dev canaryWart@programming.dev
Joined: 2026-08-27
#79 · Quote Reply

That's not on USB C mate. Shitty products will always exist. Like some can only be powered/charged from USB A to C, not C to C, since they didn't add a resistor to the CC line. A microscopic sub 1 cent part.

I like how i feel about you using "mate" and "cent" in the same post. Nou, I hate it.

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#80 · Quote Reply

I like how i feel about you using "mate" and "cent" in the same post. Nou, I hate it.

:o

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UiUiUiUiUi piefed.nl UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl
Joined: 2026-09-24
#81 · Quote Reply

If someone uploads a photo or video, the server hosts it and sends to everyone. Expensive

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My continuwuity server running 1 user connected to 3 small rooms: 800MB ram 24h after a fresh restart

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