I will choose freewill - Neil Peart RIP

Trump is the switch:

• If you pull the lever towards trump, millions die.
• If you pull the lever away from trump, millions are saved.

Abstaining from voting is just a vote to let others choose for you. It does not exempt you from the system.

But the bus tried to get votes from republicaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiigghh!!

*crunch*

You're banned from .ml, !latestagecapitalism and r/Pyongyang.

And if the majority wants to drive off a cliff we should just let it happen because them’s the rules.

downvotes for suggesting the system needs to be put down? ok. ✅

There were so many people honking in support at the rally last weekend. All i could think was, "Please just vote. It doesn't mean anything if you don't act."

But the bus driver supports genocide. The whole bus is rotten. We should let the bus go off the cliff and then build a new bus. I'm sure enough of us will survive the crash to build a better bus afterwards. Many people will die but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

🤡🤡🤡

Bad analogy, 3 vote to drive off the cliff, 2 vote to drive it off the cliff inclusively. Either way the only smart choice is to bail the fuck out.

We'll follow your lead.

freewill

I bet he spelled it 'free will', as the Canadian education system used to be good in 1961.

But also remember to meet your neighbors, form communities, and join political groups before Election Day.
It’s important to vote, for sure, but if we aren’t part of the selection process that provides good candidates that’s when it feels useless. This is especially true for everyone that hates both parties.

But the bus driver supports genocide. The whole bus is rotten.

You ever notice how the 'burn it down' people fall into two camps?

1. not in the affected area: chicken-hawk types who advocate the sacrifice of others.
2. in the affected area: I didn't know the leopards of societal collapse, starvation, and violence, would eat my face.

Type 2 also includes the "why's it taking so long? Look at all these people suffering through the collapse. We need to make it collapse faster so we get to the good part faster" people, without acknowledging that this is what collapse looks like: lots of suffering

What if the other choice is also driving off a cliff, but further away?

Or you can do the smart thing and not accept the trap of believing electorlism will get you anywhere and organize to destroy the system.

Better to regain/repurpose control of the bus

Who said there was a good part to get to? Turns out damaging the bus in any manner, whether by driving, inaction, or burning it on the road, is all bad. No one has mentioned hitting the brakes... oh wait, which one of you cut the lines?

You know if we just crash the bus sooner everything would be better. Also I hear the driver picked music no one likes - let's cancel him then all argue over what music is crash appropriate.

Leave the country instead of trying to improve it? Sucks for anyone about to be hit by a falling bus surrendered to the people voting to send it off a cliff.

just remember, 95% of you live in areas where you vote wont matter!

You can stay on the sinking ship if you want. This public has made it very clear that they are listless and will not fight back.

Came for the Rush quote, upvoted for the message.

Yep voting is distasteful but necessary. People often forget the second half. Of running unworthy hacks out on a rail when they inevitably turn on you. Primaries are some of the most important though often neglected votes. Along with organizing and supporting actual good candidates from the community.

Therefore, 95% of people shouldn't vote?

Cuck voting

if you are presented with a bus driver that, every once in a while, presents you with the choice of either driving off a cliff now or reporting the decision to later, perhaps you should try everything in your power to take control of that bus so you don’t risk death every time

perhaps

Forget voting in November. VOTE EARLY!!! SC literally opened up in person eatly voting this past Monday.

They'll get around to it on the same timeframe as the "South will rise again" folks.

Sure, do that. But also vote.

Yeah but you can just blame all that suffering on the people trying to hold the whole thing together, because obviously if you just let the whole thing collapse then the suffering will end abruptly and a magical utopia can finally descend from the heavens! /s

It won't crash if Keanu Reeves is on the bus 😎

"The five non-voters are the true anarchists who see the violence inherent in the system. Actually the two who voted against driving off the cliff are wrong for even supporting a system in which voters can choose to drive the bus off the cliff. They're actually worse than the three who voted to drive the bus off the cliff, because they tacitly approve of driving the bus off the cliff just by participating in the system which allows the bus to be driven off the cliff, while fooling themselves into feeling morally absolved of the decision to drive off the cliff! So the non-voters are the only virtuous ones in this situation"

(The /s should be clear, right?)

no, the situation is 4 vote to drive off this immediate cliff. 3 vote to drive off the next cliff, and 3 are trying get off the bus or are at peace with their impending doom.

“Vote blue no matter who” is a direct admission that your candidates suck, their stance on issues suck, but you can supposedly buy just a little more time from them then the republicans. except anyone with object permanence knows they don’t acutely fix anything, they ride or die with the republicans, and just use them as the bad guys.

“don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” is bullshit, establishment democrats are no where near good enough, and progressives don’t agree with their stance on: climate change, immigration, lgbtq+ protection, reigning in corporations, resisting genocide, universal healthcare, loosening racially motivated drug enforcement, breaking up the prison industrial complex, breaking up the military industrial complex, defunding the police, establishing ranked choice voting, repealing citizens united, making bribery illegal again, nor establishing term limits.

i don’t care about campaign promises. we already know how they will act, they work for who pays them, and it ain’t us.

by all means vote, but do not let these people use fear to force you to vote for the shortest shit stain

‘Stay and die to make a point’ is way less convincing when it’s your life on the line. Anyone who shames someone (especially a targeted minority) for fleeing a fascist state is frankly unhinged and needs to touch grass. Especially in the case of the US, where simply not living in the country doesn’t negate your right to cast a ballot.

Then that buys time to develop other choices, still better than not voting.

Too many don't, they vote and consider it done with, but the voting is not the solution part of this. With how things are, particularly under FPTP voting systems, it is mostly holding off the worst of it until enough people feel disenfranchised enough to either not bother or vote for some far right conman or another...

Our only way out is by building systems of mutual support for ourselves and one another, but regrettably voting is much easier than that, so it rarely happens.

I prefer this equivalence: abstaining is voting according to the result of the election.

When your opponent is a fascist, YOU VOTE AGAINST the FASCIST.

It blows my mind this this still needs to be said.

who is not the fascist? you are going to have to point them out because i see an open fascist, and a hidden fascist.

Bail the fuck out would only mean leaving the country, ie bus, allowing everyone else to die while pretending to be morally pure.

Coincidence or rush reference?

Nice to see a post on this topic that isn't batshit bonkers.

BaD jAcKeTiNg

I'm not judging people with their life/freedom at risk deciding to get out while they can. I am judging the person I responded to for saying that voting against fascism is support for fascism. There are a lot of people getting hurt and dieing abroad who didn't have the choice to vote in our elections, and I judge anyone saying that by not voting they are not at fault for what their vote might have prevented.