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Riddick3001
lemmy.world
HowRu68@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Behind a wire fence lies a vast gaping wound of earth. Before Google’s arrival a few months ago, an estimated quarter of a million trees occupied the 330 hectares (815 acres) of forest near the town of Muhos in rural northern Finland. Now they are all gone. After the tech company illegally stripped the entire area to build a datacentre – taking even the top soil with it – all that remains is a vast expanse of mud indented with the trail marks of machinery, puddles and mounds of earth, roots and branches. Residents say that brown water flowing off the site is going into a stream that feeds the Oulujoki River. |
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20cello
lemmy.world
20cello@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-03-07 |
Fine them to oblivion |
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Freeposity
lemmy.world
Freeposity@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-04-27 |
I bet Petteri Orpo ends up with a job at Google for a very large salary once he's thrown out of office. |
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BeatTakeshi
lemmy.world
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-09-12 |
That's heartbreaking. When do we set those motherfuckers on fire? |
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BremboTheFourth
piefed.ca
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-07-02 |
This isn't something that just happens overnight. The local government and law enforcement also needs to be held accountable for failing to stop this. |
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Riddick3001
lemmy.world
HowRu68@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
This isn't something that just happens overnight. The local government and law enforcement also needs to be held accountable for failing to stop this.
It kind of did actually, they went forward without license awaiting the results of an environmental damage assessment report.
Yeah 100%, seems that the Finnish ( and the European) law & mindset is not ready for this sort of BS . The Finnish Gvement actually endorsed this Google investment without even thinking of the consequences. Sort of like money is always good for our country bla la. But in this case it's actually not true, unless you really tax them/make them pay. This story is like a warning for others what could happen one day - or maybe already has happened - in your own backyard. |
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mrcleanup
lemmy.world
mrcleanup@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-08 |
Fine them to oblivion
Not just fines please. I'm a big fan of "you have to put it back the way it was before we can let anything else proceed with the project" as well |
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Maeve
kbin.earth
Maeve@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-06-16 |
Not just fines please. I'm a big fan of "you have to put it back the way it was before we can let anything else proceed with the project" as well
And jail time for executives, board members, and majority shareholders. |
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MonkderVierte
lemmy.zip
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-05-30 |
So what, just catch the responsible person there? Then you can figure out who actually gave the commands, while the construction progress is halted. It's a illegal building site anyway, you'll do nothing wrong by just going ahead. |
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boobookittyfrick
lemmy.zip
boobookittyfrick@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-07-29 |
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TacoButtPlug
sh.itjust.works
TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-02 |
The correct response to this would be prison time for Google execs. China kills greedy execs. |
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halcyoncmdr
piefed.social
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-15 |
Fine them to oblivion
Just cancel the building permits. They already proved they won't follow even basic requirements. |
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halcyoncmdr
piefed.social
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-15 |
Not just fines please. I'm a big fan of "you have to put it back the way it was before we can let anything else proceed with the project" as well
That includes the 50+ years of growth needed to get it back to the "way it was". Of course. |
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mrcleanup
lemmy.world
mrcleanup@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-08 |
That includes the 50+ years of growth needed to get it back to the "way it was". Of course.
Oh, definitely. |
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BigShammy80
feddit.org
BigShammy80@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-21 |
To see something ilke this makes me furios. In times of climate change, they just don't give a fuck. Think about all the wildlife that is killed or cast out by this. You can't leave Google fast enough, that's for sure. Fucking evil company. |
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unglueclass23
programming.dev
unglueclass23@programming.dev Joined: 2026-04-20 |
400k trees in total. Inconceivable number. |
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kroca
lemmy.world
kroca@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-19 |
What can we do as citizens? |
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mirshafie
europe.pub
mirshafie@europe.pub Joined: 2025-11-07 |
What can we do as citizens? Somebody an idea? E.g. reach out to the authorities in finnland an eu
Wear sandals. Fight like a dead man. |
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dangling_cat
piefed.blahaj.zone
dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-06-06 |
And jail time for executives, board members, and majority shareholders.
I’m a big fan of community service. Making them wake up at 5am for the next 30 years to plant trees sounds great. |
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mirshafie
europe.pub
mirshafie@europe.pub Joined: 2025-11-07 |
The correct response to this would be prison time for Google execs. China kills greedy execs.
I oppose the death penalty, but holy hell is it good that they hold the people at the top personally accountable for crimes. |
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BitUnWise
programming.dev
BitUnWise@programming.dev Joined: 2026-04-15 |
Seize the land and 'fine' them by having them pay to replant the forest |
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betanumerus
lemmy.ca
betanumerus@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-02-22 |
If it was in fact illegal, when is rebuilding the forest scheduled to start? |
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Eheran
lemmy.world
Eheran@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-26 |
just happens overnight. It kind of did actually, they went forward without license awaiting the results of an environmental damage assessment report. Aslo Finland is quite sparsely populated ( ~18/ km2) The local government and law enforcement also needs to be held accountable Yeah 100%, seems that the Finnish ( and the European) law & mindset is not ready for this sort of BS . The Finnish ...
No it did not "kind of happen overnight". |
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strawberry_enjoyer42
lemmy.blahaj.zone
strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-04-20 |
In addition to the 250,000 trees felled at Muhos, Annala estimates that an additional 150,000 trees were felled at Otanmäki. Because the trees have been felled illegally, she says wood from the two sites cannot be sold to wood-processing plan 400k trees in total. Inconceivable number.
Someone in another reply said they should be fined 1m/tree... 400b seems fair :3 |
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strawberry_enjoyer42
lemmy.blahaj.zone
strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-04-20 |
The correct response to this would be prison time for Google execs. China kills greedy execs.
And a 1m/tree fine (400b in total) :3 |
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searabbit
piefed.social
searabbit@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-08 |
No it did not "kind of happen overnight".
What's your source? |
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Million
lemmy.zip
Million@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-06-30 |
What's your source?
Any finnish article that talks about the timeline. Afaik they asked for permissions in March, the permission was pending and they already were felling trees. Few months later they are like "oh there is this building law that can give us permissions" They also file that and get permission for "preliminary construction proceedings" or something like that, while the permission from the first place that is trying to calculate the environmental impact is still pending, they halt the site in october. So about 6 months it was going and someone should have stopped it if permissions were not cleared. |
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dropdrip
lemmy.ml
dropdrip@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-04-19 |
What can we do as citizens? Somebody an idea? E.g. reach out to the authorities in finnland an eu
Drop Google completely. Don't use it. They're telling the Americans who to kill and enabling Israel's genocide. |
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