I love the memes that pour out of [hostile community 1] and [hostile community 2], but inevitably when I participate in the comments under their posts, I'm bombarded with accusations of "trolling," "imperialist apologia," "racism," etc. because I disagree with some aspects of the the hyper-auth-left.

I just want a community that makes me laugh "hehe, that's a good point about that problem with the US" that isn't overrun with people doing mental gymnastics to paint anything I say as the worst thing anyone's ever said in the history of the internet and recreationally banning me for it.

Does such a place exist on the Fediverse (yet)?

I think if you just stay away from lemmy.ml you'll be alright. Tankies are insane.

lemmy.world/c/politicalmemes

They're pretty sane, it's really a matter of avoiding certain instances and you're usually fine. Or just block them off and live in peace

I can't comment on that because I've seen communities and instances forbid "instance shaming," but I certainly won't strongly disagree.

Slight disagreement comes in the form of one particular community here on lemmy.world that's geared toward this type of thing but is still run pretty despotically without any apparent corrections despite previous pleas to the admins.

How can I state this diplomatically without instance-shaming... it reminds me of lemmy.ml and I have to do double-takes when I realize it's not.

1. I don't always log in, so the block strategy is only so effective. I've blocked them in the past, but unblocked them because they still have some of the best memes and post them more often.

2. I want to learn about an alternative so that I signal boost that one and the others can wither without engagement from sane people boosting it. Currently, the toxic communities are much more popular and only end up in my (and others') feeds every so often. I want that to change.

3. I've encountered at least one militant hyper-auth-left community here on lemmy.world, so it isn't exclusively an instance issue.

I've encountered at least one militant hyper-auth-left community here on lemmy.world, so it isn't exclusively an instance issue.

I’ll bet all my savings that it has gotta be late stage capitalism.

I can confidently say political memes on LW is alright provided you can stomach ML users hopping in to piss in the punchbowl.

It's not purely instance based, but there are more auth-left/tankie centric instances that can cut down a big chunk of the noise

............ no comment.

I just resist the idea of clipping away instances that are Civil But Disagree with me.

If they're actively hostile just to troll us, then they should be defederated.

I've literally never heard of your instance before.

I don't say that to shame you, but to establish that the bigger an instance, the more likely jackasses will find their way in due to the nature of the diversity of human thought.

In other words, any instance that 100% agrees with me will be an instance of a single person - me.

Lemmy.world seems good enough for me. I don't agree with everyone here, but most of the moderators and admins seem to not be actively abusing their power or neglectfully ignoring abuses of their peers.

Block the tankies and you'll be happier

Tankies are running late stage capitalism now I think

No comment.

Blocking individual hyper-auth-left people is laborious, and blocking entire instances or communities because I disagree with some/many of their people just builds an echo chamber around me.

I like to listen to what they have to say. Some of it is right - including thoughts I'd never have had without their input. Some of it is wrong, and I confront them about it. Most of the time, they lose their minds and their local instance admins or community moderators look the other way. It's very frustrating.

No.

And if you make it, it will be brigaded.

I do too, I haven't blocked them yet, but sometimes I comment in their space without looking and they pounce on me like hyaenas. They're so aggressive, I could see it ruining someone's day.

I mean, you kind of just instance shamed in your previous comment…

I'm fine with them passionately disagreeing with me, but it does get irritating when they're allowed to make up all sorts of nonsense about me and the admin->moderator->voter chain applauds it.

When I ask them to explain their accusations, typically I get the classic, "I'm under no obligation to educate you or prove why you're a piece of shit" or "it's obvious and you're trolling by even asking."

This is rapidly turning into a ban-rant, but oh well:

From memory, there was a thread circle-jerking about how liberals hate soviet bloc housing. I disagreed, saying it's actually one of the things liberals widely appreciate about the USSR.

Apparently that point and/or defending it is "imperialist apologia" and "trolling." Much more recently, another of them in a separate thread dug into my modlog and decided to announce that I'm a "fascist apologist," I assume because they 1:1'ed "imperialist" and "fascist," which admittedly do have a lot of overlap but are not 1:1.

Regardless, I have never and will never defend imperialism or fascism. Ironically, I was also recently banned for saying that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is much closer to imperialism, not automatically anti-imperialism (by implied virtue of opposition to the US' interests). So the irony there is that they're allowed to defend imperialism, but I'm labeled an imperialist apologist for saying one of the things the USSR did was good and a lot of liberals agree?

I hope - for the world's sanity's sake - that they know how ridiculous that is and are just trolling me. Another possibility is they've built this caricature of a Westerner so ironclad in their minds that if a Westerner shows up and doesn't match it, they must be lying to get under their skin? Or... and hear me out... OR... they're a gaggle of morons.

No, trust me, I didn't make it up. It's explicitly against the rules on a popular instance/community that I encountered recently.

Who are you pre-accusing of brigading it?

I suspect there's plenty of liberals and leftists that appreciate hearing from each other about their shared goals enough to drown out the people who like to pretend that they're kind, but in reality just like to put kindness on their banner while they cut people down.

I’ll live just fine, I just appreciated the irony.

I’ve also seen plenty of instance shaming. It mostly boils down to anyone on a .ml instance is a tankie and anyone on LW is a shitlib.

I cope fine. Learn to keep your inane comments to yourself.

The problem with .ml is the primary software devs are the ones that run it, so defederating them leaves instances without the official support coms.

I would 't say they, or the other auth-left instances exist just to troll, many seem like honest believers in their statements, but they could certainly be considered hostile to any sort of support for western culture.

And you, coping so well with my comment that you were compelled to reply and mischaracterize what I'm doing/saying again.

My my, aren't we pleasant.

If we're keeping track of which instances harbor nasty people, so far yours is 1/1.

I've had great help from this community and https://lemmy.world/c/support. I'd never even heard of or found the "official" one, nor do I care to find it now that I know it exists and is a primary reason we don't defederate.

It's a shame being hostile to anything Western is considered pleasant, tolerant, and enlightened on Lemmy, while anything that criticizes any person in the East is considered automatically racist.

It's transparently hypocritical and the far right uses it as a recruiting tool, i.e. "They're openly racist, why can't we be?"

Such a colossally disappointing stance that hamstrings what would otherwise be a global force for good. Can't the world have one political community that isn't run by morons?

When I say support it's more in the sense of software patches and the like rather than account support, but I can't say that's the only reason .world stays, I'm not even part of the instance, just that it makes things less straight forward than other instances.

The fediverse at large tends to be more progressive leaning, some just take it to a place where principals that might be generally leftist are made compulsary and any deviation is an offense.

What?

Meh. Enjoy running around telling everyone who voices a concern to "cope."

I think I'll be taking your advice to block your instance.

They tore my head off in the same thread because I explained my issues with the block apartment I lived in at the time. Anything that contradicts whatever point they're trying to make is to be bullied and blocked.

I totally get that as a philosophy, but the people (or for all I know, bots) that I've been running into lately aren't that.

As an example, they've done mental gymnastics to build the following logic:

• Russia opposes the US (factual)

• The US is imperialist (factual)

• Therefore anything Russia ever does cannot be imperialism, but must be anti-imperialism (???)

• Therefore anyone who criticizes anything Russia ever does must be anti-anti-imperialist, ergo imperialist (???)

It's people LARPing wanting freedom from tyranny who actually just want despotism with a different flavor on the boot.

"The USSR was perfect." 😍

"Some things the USSR did were good." 😡

WTF is the "hyper-auth-left"?

Stalinists, Maoists, etc.

Hyper means "over," "above," etc. I think it's Greek in origin?

"Auth" is short for "authoritarian," meaning those who lean towards "a good society is one with stricter enforcement of laws," as opposed to "libertarian" philosophies, generally meaning those who think people should be left alone more often than not.

Left is the political "left," generally proposing a "managed economy" or "regulations on businesses," as opposed to the "right" which often values Laissez-faire capitalism.

Hyper-auth-left people believe that the best society is one where a vanguard party (often led by an autocrat) destroys capitalism, capitalists, and often anything that even remotely resembles either (examples of the latter including academics, people who wear glasses, and Jewish people), usually violently.

Most people just call them "tankies."

Most people just call them “tankies.”

Tankie is a pejorative for people who are too stupid to realize that North Korea isnt communist as far as I know.

Not the hyper-auth-left! 🙄

Unironically, if you have a Reddit account and you just wanna have a lil' laugh without being too critical of the genocidal settler colony turned global hegemon called the USA, you can find like-minded people there. They kinda banned all the "troublemakers", so don't be surprised to find them here!

I think I described them better, but you're welcome to carve out your own definition.

You're mischaracterizing what I said, probably to push your agenda. Either read more carefully or skitter back to somewhere people don't bother thinking before typing.

Because your eyes are already observing the backs of your sockets, I'll hold your hand:

I never said the USA isn't a genocidal settler colony turned global hegemony, nor did I say it doesn't deserve criticism for that and more, nor did I say I don't enjoy such criticism. Hilariously ironically, I said the opposite.

I can't confirm if the second half of your username is true, but the first half sure is.

Fair, but maybe what I said still stands. I rarely run into any actual "tankie"/auth left content (usually just complaints about them!), maybe I'd have to see where you've been to understand your possibly valid complaints, I'd have to see it personally.

I mean, you said.

Left is the political “left,” generally proposing a “managed economy” or “regulations on businesses,” as opposed to the “right” which often values Laissez-faire capitalism.

Which is just hilariously wrong.

So im not sure how much stock to put in the rest of what you said

As the post was recently un-removed (shout-out to the mod team here), we can continue the discussion here if you'd like:

Your position is more or less that I am so terribly wrong that you're not going to bother educating me, correct?

For the record I'm not trying to pester/harass/troll you as you suggested via DMs - I'd just rather move the conversation here. Feel free to screenshot the entire thing and put it in a reply for transparency and posterity's sake. Or don't reply if you're positive I'm a troll; that's fine too.

As the post was un-removed (shout-out to the mod team here) I can now reply:

Next time you see a leftist meme crop up from one of the more popular non-local communities, take a peek at the comments for people like me and the legion of people dog-piling them.

“I disagree with this part of the meme:” is considered a deeply hostile act and you’ll be treated accordingly.