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‘Pure arrogance’: anger in Finland as Google illegally fells 250,000 trees for datacentre
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schizoidman lemmy.zip schizoidman@lemmy.zip
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tabarnaski sh.itjust.works tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-27
#2 · Quote Reply

This is awful, and we should expect stuff like this to happen more often...

I would have liked the article to be a little more specific on the details of how the law was broken though.

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givesomefucks lemmy.world givesomefucks@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#3 · Quote Reply

The only way they'll stop is if the land gets seized to be converted into a park and they have to pay for it to be reforested.

If they just pay a fine and get to keep going, it's a cost of business

Make them have to start over, and they'll stop doing it.

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meat lemmy.blahaj.zone meat@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-08-07
#4 · Quote Reply

Unfortunately, locals need to physically defend their forests and natural resources from these AI corporations. The law is much too slow.

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redbrick lemmy.world redbrick@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-01
#5 · Quote Reply

Strange that no one google'd if Finland actually needed those trees. You'd think Gemini would say, 'Yeah, they need dem trees...' right?)

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rabber lemmy.ca rabber@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-07-03
#6 · (edited) Quote Reply

Not excusing anything here but it's not like the Finns treat their forests with respect either. The entire country is a tree farm.

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BigShammy80 feddit.org BigShammy80@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-02-21
#7 · Quote Reply

The only way they'll stop is if the land gets seized to be converted into a park and they have to pay for it to be reforested. If they just pay a fine and get to keep going, it's a cost of business Make them have to start over, and they'll stop doing it.

I hope something like this will happen, it probably won't though.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#8 · Quote Reply

Not excusing anything here but it's not like the Finns treat their forests with respect either. The entire country is a tree farm.

Source for this claim?

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#9 · Quote Reply

Strange that no one google'd if Finland actually needed those trees. You'd think Gemini would say, 'Yeah, they need dem trees...' right?)

What's more important, the needs of a company with the wealth of a small country or... a small country?

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#10 · Quote Reply

Unfortunately, locals need to physically defend their forests and natural resources from these AI corporations. The law is much too slow.

Didn't locals help transform those trees into lumber?

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#11 · Quote Reply

Vote right-wing again, I dare you, Finland. Maybe then you'll learn what happens to your forests, just like the global south has.

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rabber lemmy.ca rabber@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-07-03
#12 · Quote Reply

Source for this claim?

Satellite view

Can dig more sources for you regarding draining of ecosystems tomorrow

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Pratai piefed.ca Pratai@piefed.ca
Joined: 2026-02-12
#13 · Quote Reply

You’re allowed to defend your land with force.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#14 · Quote Reply

Satellite view Can dig more sources for you regarding draining of ecosystems tomorrow

In 2025, roundwood consumption in Finland totalled 78.9 million cubic metres, representing a 3% increase from the previous year. Forest industry production accounted for 84% of the volume, while the remainder was used for energy production.

-- [ Wood consumption 2025 (provisional)]https://www.luke.fi/en/statistics/wood-consumption/wood-consumption-2025-provisional)

Compared to the previous inventory, forest resources have continued to increase but the average annual increment has declined from 107.8 M m3 to 103.0 M m3.

-- Forests of Finland 2019–2023 and their development 1921–2023

That leaves 20 million cubic metres of wood in tact in Finland.

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foliumcreations lemmy.world foliumcreations@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-29
#15 · Quote Reply

Strange that no one google'd if Finland actually needed those trees. You'd think Gemini would say, 'Yeah, they need dem trees...' right?)

If the trees are needed by Finland is irrelevant if they were taken down without permission.

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Left as Center jlai.lu leftascenter@jlai.lu
Joined: 2024-05-17
#16 · Quote Reply

Problem:

Google illegally fells 250,000 trees

Solution: fine them. How much?

Muhos and Otanmäki are part of a €13bn AI infrastructure project by Google

13bn seems fair.

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Croquette sh.itjust.works Croquette@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-15
#17 · Quote Reply

Problem: Google illegally fells 250,000 trees Solution: fine them. How much? Muhos and Otanmäki are part of a €13bn AI infrastructure project by Google 13bn seems fair.

13bn + damage.

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Noodle07 lemmy.world Noodle07@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-20
#18 · Quote Reply

Problem: Google illegally fells 250,000 trees Solution: fine them. How much? Muhos and Otanmäki are part of a €13bn AI infrastructure project by Google 13bn seems fair.

Force them to replant 👌

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moistclump lemmy.world moistclump@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#19 · (edited) Quote Reply

Force them to replant 👌

Tragic thing is that sticking trees back in the ground does not replace what’s been lost. Ecosystems take decades if not centuries. I think they should be paying for replanting, biologists and arborists oversight for a couple decades, and a crew to maintain and care for them.

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Sarmyth lemmy.world Sarmyth@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#20 · Quote Reply

Didn't locals help transform those trees into lumber?

The loggers may not have been local but I dont think you drop 250k trees without a shit load of people noticing. The data center as a whole project will swell workers and trade jobs in the area during the construction for a facility large enough to warrant that much clearing.

I think many in the local area were fine with it while opponents are getting good coverage now.

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Lanske lemmy.world Lanske@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-27
#21 · Quote Reply

Fine them a million euro's a tree!

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Noodle07 lemmy.world Noodle07@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-20
#22 · Quote Reply

Tragic thing is that sticking trees back in the ground does not replace what’s been lost. Ecosystems take decades if not centuries. I think they should be paying for replanting, biologists and arborists oversight for a couple decades, and a crew to maintain and care for them.

Yeah, anything but allow the land to be commercially used

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meat lemmy.blahaj.zone meat@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-08-07
#23 · Quote Reply

Didn't locals help transform those trees into lumber?

From the article "the illegally felled timber cannot be sold commercially."

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#24 · Quote Reply

In 2025, roundwood consumption in Finland totalled 78.9 million cubic metres, representing a 3% increase from the previous year. Forest industry production accounted for 84% of the volume, while the remainder was used for energy production. -- [ Wood consumption 2025 (provisional)]https://www.luke.fi/en/statistics/wood-consumption/wood-consumption-2025-provisional) Compared to the previous inve...

Timberland is really not a healthy forest. Those are very different things.

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strawberry_enjoyer42 lemmy.blahaj.zone strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-04-20
#25 · Quote Reply

Fine them a million euro's a tree!

~250,000,000,000 per tree :3

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#26 · Quote Reply

Timberland is really not a healthy forest. Those are very different things.

Where are you getting that it's timberland?

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kunaltyagi programming.dev kunaltyagi@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
#27 · (edited) Quote Reply

Unfortunately, locals need to physically defend their forests and natural resources from these AI corporations. The law is much too slow.

They need a fucking chipko aandolan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipko_movement

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#28 · Quote Reply

Where are you getting that it's timberland?

Where do you get this is anything else? Let alone the possibility that anyone would try to build on one of those extremely rare spots of remaining "wild" non-managed forest? This is all timberland just like almost all area with trees in all of Europe.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#29 · Quote Reply

Where do you get this is anything else? Let alone the possibility that anyone would try to build on one of those extremely rare spots of remaining "wild" non-managed forest? This is all timberland just like almost all area with trees in all of Europe.

So, you don't know whether it's timberland and are making an assumption. Good to know.

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#30 · Quote Reply

So, you don't know whether it's timberland and are making an assumption. Good to know.

Nothing else would make sense. Here a source confirming this.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-08-05
#31 · Quote Reply

Nothing else would make sense. Here a source confirming this.

Could you please quote where in the article it says it's timberland? And even if it were timberland, that doesn't mean that almost all areas with trees in Europe are timberland.

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#32 · Quote Reply

Could you please quote where in the article it says it's timberland? And even if it were timberland, that doesn't mean that almost all areas with trees in Europe are timberland.

which sold Google four parcels of mostly commercial forestry land at Muhos and Kajaani as raw land nearly two years ago.

Does it make sense to go on? Timberland is VERY different ecologically from a natural forest.

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