Link: https://newrepublic.com/post/217044/republican-mayor-physically-charges-resident

What's that again about political violence coming from the "Left"?

Was it wrong? Absolutely. Was it justified? Absolutely.

Gotta pick one, chief.

100% pure, concentrated, conservative logic right there.

well the left made him do it. so the violence is their fault. obvious, really.

"Why do you make me hit you, baby?!"

WHY DID YOU MAKE DO THIS?! YOU'RE FIGHTING SO YOU CAN WATCH EVERYONE ON THIS PLANET AROUND YOU DIE! THINK MARK! YOU'LL OUTLIVE OUTLAST EVERY FRAGILE, INSIGNIFICANT BEING ON THIS PLANET! YOU'LL LIVE TO WATCH SEE THEM THIS WORLD CRUMBLE TO DUST AND BLOW AWAY! EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING YOU LOVE KNOW WILL BE GONE!

Seeing this while I'm listening the "No Gods No Mayors" podcast is (chef's kiss) beautiful... I love it when a mayor is embattled.

In watching the video, mayor says he's not gonna hit anybody. Video sure showed us something else. Is the mayor intentionally lying, or is he genuinely that out of touch with his own actions?

During the meeting, Sawka allegedly insulted Bianchini’s wife and daughter, who were at the meeting, and then made an obscene gesture at Bianchini.

Jersey Rules

Alright, so, off straight to jail with that very clear confession.

... right?

Right?

I think he said “get”, because he was yelling “I’m gonna get you” as he was being dragged away. AKA making death threats, which is a felony. He is trying to create plausible deniability for the death threats by jumping in front of a news camera, before any charges get filed.

Conservatives are obsessed with anti-heroes who "do what needs to be done" even when it's illegal and morally odious.

Was it wrong? Absolutely. Was it justified? Absolutely.

Gotta pick one, chief.

Not in America. There's plenty of people that will tell you murder is wrong, but in the same breath tell you state-sanctioned murder is justified.

In fact, I'd wager most people, including myself, hold logically inconsistent beliefs. Logically consistent systems are either incomplete (per Godel) or impotent (like Presburger Arithmetic).

I really wish there was a universal moral calculus, but I haven't found one.

Don’t attack my family

Motherfucker, don't attack my country! Fuck you and the entire fascist GOP!

Luigi

Personally I'm not necessarily against murder, gotta judge it by a case by case basis but I don't think the state should do it 9 times out of 10.

According to the other guy he didn't even talk to the mayor's family. He just turned around and gestured at them to shut up when they started talking shit at him.

It was wrong... but I definitely understand. ^And wouldn't convict.^

That's an easy one to defeat. Just depends on how you define murder. Like no sane person would balk at killing someone in unequivocal self-defense. I would exclude that kind of act from the definition of murder. That gets dicey when you take something like Luigi. Can outright murder be acceptable given a failing system? No one is considering murdering healthcare execs in places with universal healthcare.

So worth remembering that incident of politican harassment has gone up by about 50% irrespective of party in the last 3 years federally. Also true across the board in the US.

I am not justify the acts, but putting this in context.

it's obvious, but the system isn't responding to, connecting with, or improving constituents lives. Or the constituents have become less tolerant of not being listened to... even if the message are mixed.

And of course the media is not helping. Telling the whole story is important, not just a perspective.

Edit: Down voting me doesn't make it any less true you absolutely stupid dumbasses. You want to make the world a better place, be willing to deal with the complex truth that is the dn world!

If corporations can make decisions which directly lead to the deaths of others then those impacted by those decisions should be able to respond in self defense. The fact that they're killing people with a pen stroke instead of a weapon doesn't change the life-threatening nature of the situation they're intentionally creating.

incident of politican harassment has gone up by about 50% irrespective of party in the last 3 years federally

How much do you want to bet that the federal definition of "politician harassment" has widened dramatically during those same 3 years?

Also true across the board in the US.

Is it, though? According to who?

the system isn't responding to, connecting with, or improving constituents lives. Or the constituents have become less tolerant of not being listened to

Correct, but it's AND, not or.

And of course the media is not helping

Even more correct

Calling that a death threat is a stretch that would not hold up in court in my jurisdiction. It lacks specificity

I think the victim is correct that it qualifies as simple assault

So the Capitol police attribute some of this to an increased detection, not a redefinition. But your point is still vaild, with a caveat. While the Federal threats have blossomed, it's not just them.

study after study after study after study shows an increase of politicians being abused, attacked, and harassed.

And it's global not just the US.

We live in a attention economy which doesn't want real answers, or real context. Whom ever sounds the best wins. The problem is that Nature doesn't take a side.

I was thinking more along the lines of people lynching David Duke or Steven Anderson, A hate preacher associated with the quiverfull freaks. But also generally speaking C-suites and politicians as well.

The way I see it there's no point in offering civility to those who would kill me for fun or a quick buck.

Violence, possibly even lethal violence, can be justified. But, it can't be justified by revenge or convenience.

I like my mayors like I like my coffee: embattled

There are such things as mitigating circumstances, but those are supposed to be considered in a COURT OF LAW by a JUDGE. Not by self decree.

Why would a republican mayor ever intentionally lie?

Its Cognitive Dissonance 101. The psychological defense mechanism. To these people, if one part of them is wrong, then their entire identity is wrong.

The pattern is becoming more apparent amongst authoritarians, they have a very disturbed sense of identity. They identify as the party. They identify as the country. They identify as being correct.

What a lead-brained boomer fat piece of shit lol.

Am I a hostile dumb piece of shit? Absolutely. Do I not understand consequences and does God weep anytime I open my fat mouth? Absolutely.

If corporations can make decisions which directly lead to the deaths of others then those impacted by those decisions should be able to respond in self defense.

Especially when they have policies to automatically deny claims, require appeals, etc. regardless of whether things should actually be covered. That's an explicit decision by the company to put those people's lives in danger, solely for the financial incentive.

Perhaps we need to add that to the murder definition.

Absolute individualist power fantasy. Same with shooting someone in self defense

Dude has statistically assaulted his daughter. Let's look into that cause I can almost guarantee it.

Okay, let's take a look at your sources here.

Let's just go over your first one:

While 2013-2016 had on average 38 federal charges involving threats to public officials per year, that average sharply increased during the period of 2017-2022, with the average number of federal charges increasing to 62 per year. It seems the clamor of threats to public officials has grown louder since 2017, with gradual, steady increases.

The next figure states 42% of them were against elected officials. Okay, fair.

Of those offenders who displayed an ideological orientation, the majority were anti-government, anti-authority violent extremists (AGAAVE) or racially motivated violent extremists (RMVE) in nature. Of the total count of ideologically motivated threats, 43 percent were motivated by AGAAVE ideology. For example, in 2016, a Huntington, Maryland, resident threatened to kill President Obama and multiple members of Congress including Senators John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Hillary Clinton, and Orrin Hatch because of “government corruption out of control” and what the perpetrator described as “treason against America” by officials who “sold out America.”29

Okay, there's maybe some equal opportunity stuff here....

Moreover, a portion of the threats were motivated by both AGAAVE and RMVE. Related to what other scholars have observed regarding composite violent extremism,30 23 percent of the ideologically motivated threats analyzed involved both AGAAVE and RMVE extremism. For example, on April 16, 2019, a Tamarac, Florida, resident communicated a threat by telephone targeting Representatives Eric Swalwell, Cory Booker, and Rashida Tlaib, expressing anti-Black and Islamophobic racism along with anti-government sentiments. The perpetrator also claimed the government was planning a gun confiscation while using racist and xenophobic language to describe certain groups of people.31 This particular example and the overlap between racially motivated and anti-government sentiments more broadly reflects the long-standing co-mingling of anti-government and white supremacist extremism as illustrated by the founding role white supremacists played in the late 1960s with the emergence of the anti-government Posse Comitatus Movement (which argued that any authority beyond the local sheriff is illegitimate). The Posse Comitatus Movement had spillover effects32 that influenced both the emergence of the Sovereign Citizen and Militia Movements during the 1990s and more recently.33 The intertwined ideological and organizational histories of white supremacist and anti-government extremism renders distinctions among types of threats difficult and sometimes misleading.

Finally, racially motivated white supremacists have been designated as the most persistent and lethal ideological extremist threat in the United States, and 19 percent of the ideologically motivated threats to public officials were solely classified as RMVE.34 While the authors did identify salafi jihadi orientations and issue-specific (e.g., animal rights and environmental-related) grievances in the cases, those were clearly much smaller in number, representing six percent and nine percent of the ideologically motivated threat cases, respectively.

Hmmm.....wait, this doesn't seem like BoTh SiDeS here....

Me thinks you should maybe actually read the sources and get a actuall understanding the sources you're using to back up your claim that violent rhetoric on the rise is irrespective of a party or ideology here.

Aww man, I misread "resident" as "President" and got all excited for a moment

Irrespective of party? Surely you have a source for that since you stated such confident and specific statistics.

Most normal folk would prefer not to get mugged at all.

I didn't know mayoral votes were party related. I guess that party shit is invasive just like zebra mussels and advertising.

They believe in end justify the means but can't even describe or even imagine what is this "end". End of the american empire?

I'm pretty sure it changes state by state. Some, like mine, have political associations ever for posts like mayor, and others have nominally non-partisan races for mayor.

More evidence of the brain damage caused in the elderly from Covid and social media

Bianchini having to be restrained by multiple people and escorted from the council chambers while he yelled, “I am getting you—I am fucking get you!” Bianchini was upset at Michael Sawka, a frequent critic. Sawka called for Bianchini to resign and to be arrested after the incident.

So, I'm sure, he was arrested (just like anyone else would be) & will resign.

Bianchini has a history of confrontation since becoming mayor in January. He told a councilmember to “shut the fuck up” during a budget dispute in May.

Since it's obviously a pattern for him.

Right?

RIGHT?

Pemberton Township, New Jersey, USA (for anyone wondering)