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AOC has two words for Democrats who think defending trans rights is a losing issue
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sem lemmy.blahaj.zone sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#52 · Quote Reply

I was hoping it was going to be a "fuck you".

"Get Bent" is how i auto completed it

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minorkeys sh.itjust.works minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-04-22
#53 · Quote Reply

Not sure how to parse this comment. The point here is that, as a practical matter, no one's rights are safe unless everybody's rights are safe, and AOC is correct that Democrats are wrong to disengage on trans rights, because it's ultimately abandoning everybody's rights, which is the end of democracy.

I disagree with that stance. Some rights are more safe than others and some are more costly to maintain. The only thing one can say is a ruler who doesn't respect some rights, may not respect others. Tons of rights have been abandoned, those of the poor vs the rich for instance, and it didn't erase all rights.

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-12-27
#54 · Quote Reply

I disagree with that stance. Some rights are more safe than others and some are more costly to maintain. The only thing one can say is a ruler who doesn't respect some rights, may not respect others. Tons of rights have been abandoned, those of the poor vs the rich for instance, and it didn't erase all rights.

Not all at once, of course. But, reading the news, it sure looks to me like the erasure is proceeding apace.

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minorkeys sh.itjust.works minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-04-22
#55 · Quote Reply

Not all at once, of course. But, reading the news, it sure looks to me like the erasure is proceeding apace.

But at a pace, over time, in steps. Failing to stop the first step doesn't mean failing to stop all of them. This is a battle, not a polite discourse. They are rounding up immigrants and putting them in camps, revoking their rights. The first step wasn't even trans and all rights are not gone because of it.

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freely1333 reddthat.com freely1333@reddthat.com
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#56 · Quote Reply

I don’t want them “defending trans rights” though. I want them enforcing the protection of trans rights through legislative action and enforcement of those laws. “Defending trans rights” is when Republicans go on the offensive about transgender issues so we have to go from being on the offensive on issues like affordability, healthcare and a strong working class to “defending” trans rights. Loo...

What is the offensive for trans rights though l? Like what needs to be codified into law that is not?

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DrivebyHaiku lemmy.ca DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-02-17
#57 · Quote Reply

What is the offensive for trans rights though l? Like what needs to be codified into law that is not?

Off the top of the dome

  • Creating a sensible universal policy that creates standardized guidelines on what medical requirements allow prisoners to be housed in the prison matching their sex. At present you can be fully physically transitioned with a vagina, fully sterile from having ones testicles removed and on feminizing horomones and still be forced to be housed in mens prisons creating the conditions for guaranteed rape and endemic exploitation by both guards and inmates.

  • Rights that protects trans prisoners from forced de-transition. Removing horonone treatments from prisoners is effectively creating situations where trans prisoners are effectively put into menopause or face issues like bone loss.

  • Rights that allow trans people to change their legal documents to reflect their chosen sex. This allows for less discrimination as employers and law enforcement individuals should not be privy to someone's medical history and often being forcibly outed causes potential harassment from bigoted people in a position of power.

  • Rights to protections against hostile work conditions based on sexual characteristics

  • Rights to be protected from having the children of trans people either removed by the state OR trans kids themselves remanded into foster care on the basis they or their parent is trans

  • Rights to access bathroom facilities of their choice and not be barred or harrassed in bathrooms

  • Rights to bodily autonomy, in the case of adults to be able make the choice to medically transition. In the case of minors to allow the guardians of the minor, a panel of doctors, social workers and psychiatric professionals to prescribe blockers and hormone interventions once appropriate signs of proof that the transition is in the best interest of the minor with veto of continuity of treatment from all parties if signs of distress or incongruence are shown

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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#58 · Quote Reply

But at a pace, over time, in steps. Failing to stop the first step doesn't mean failing to stop all of them. This is a battle, not a polite discourse. They are rounding up immigrants and putting them in camps, revoking their rights. The first step wasn't even trans and all rights are not gone because of it.

As you point out, the fascists are rounding up immigrants into concentration camps. We keep losing rights by the week. And it didn't start with trans people? Then why did it get as far as them? So far, we have failed to stop any step in the process. It's understandable, because when anybody's rights are contingent rather than inalienable, we can always rationalize why it's okay to abandon the next group.

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minorkeys sh.itjust.works minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-04-22
#59 · Quote Reply

As you point out, the fascists are rounding up immigrants into concentration camps. We keep losing rights by the week. And it didn't start with trans people? Then why did it get as far as them? So far, we have failed to stop any step in the process. It's understandable, because when anybody's rights are contingent rather than inalienable, we can always rationalize why it's okay to abandon the n...

Why did it get this far? Because adequate opposition to the fascist takeover does not exist yet, if it ever forms. Fascism will keep moving through undesired and opposition groups until someone forms effective opposition. It isn't a lack of will or concern, it's a lack of power.

Progressives have no power in government right now, the courts are complicit with the takeover, the executive, legislative and judicial are all complicit, numerous billionaires are in on it, even foreign geopolitical heavyweights like Vladimir Putin has his hands in how the US government runs and what it does.

What's happening now may require people to upend their lives and discard their life plans to stop it. They are not ready to do that, or they would have. They may not be capable of doing what is necessary, they may never be. American is in a horrific state across the board.

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CultLeader4Hire lemmy.world CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
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#60 · Quote Reply

Proud to have voted (fuck) no on an initiative today to “ban children who were born male from playing girls sports” because I live in a (sane) state that allows people to change correct their birth certificates this law said it would be on the girls wanting to play to undergo physical inspection, genetic or hormonal testing, and their expense of course. Disenfranchising transgirls and adding scary, invasive or expensive bars to girls sports, everyone loses, even the people who support this, living in a less free state where girls are denied opportunities isn’t good for anyone

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abc suppo.fi abc@suppo.fi
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#61 · (edited) Quote Reply

There is a difference between politics that's aimed at getting elected and politics aimed at improving things. You can absolutely throw trans people under the bus (so to speak) before the elections and then after winning the elections use your power to improve their position.

You don't have to be blatant about it. You don't have to say "fuck them", just answer those questions quickly and shift focus to the things people care about.

Don't be weird.

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lulungomeena_burbclave lemmy.dbzer0.com lulungomeena_burbclave@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-05
#62 · Quote Reply

Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday. I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows. I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a b...

I cant trust a man who dont have a beard.

And even then, goatees are somehow worse.

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freely1333 reddthat.com freely1333@reddthat.com
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#63 · Quote Reply

Off the top of the dome Creating a sensible universal policy that creates standardized guidelines on what medical requirements allow prisoners to be housed in the prison matching their sex. At present you can be fully physically transitioned with a vagina, fully sterile from having ones testicles removed and on feminizing horomones and still be forced to be housed in mens prisons creating the c...

Honestly very solid list.

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lulungomeena_burbclave lemmy.dbzer0.com lulungomeena_burbclave@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#64 · Quote Reply

I suspect that the majority of voters would prefer a policy of tolerance over the Republican party's performative cruelty, but "we should treat these harmless eccentrics with basic human dignity" is one thing while transgender participation in sports or permanent procedures done on children are another.

Everything that follows "but" is trying to frame republican performative cruelty as reasonable.

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Mommy Longarms sh.itjust.works OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-19
#65 · Quote Reply

There is a difference between politics that's aimed at getting elected and politics aimed at improving things. You can absolutely throw trans people under the bus (so to speak) before the elections and then after winning the elections use your power to improve their position. You don't have to be blatant about it. You don't have to say "fuck them", just answer those questions quickly and shift ...

Unfortunately, when they do get into office they barely use their power to do anything, let alone help the trans community.

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bonesawmcl lemmy.world bonesawmcl@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-03
#66 · Quote Reply

I was hoping it was going to be a "fuck you".

Or "fuck off" alternatively

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captainlezbian lemmy.world captainlezbian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#67 · Quote Reply

I constantly rail against the "Both sides" thing because, well, both side are NOT the same. Even establishment Dems are radically different than Republicans. However. I am also firmly of the opinion that establishment Dems are corrupted and taking money from our oligarchs, and that they try to use things like "but we have to compromise and not scare off the centrists" as a smokescreen for their...

This could be a temporary swing back, or the left wing version of thr tea party

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the_crotch sh.itjust.works the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-03-07
#68 · Quote Reply

I constantly rail against the "Both sides" thing because, well, both side are NOT the same. Even establishment Dems are radically different than Republicans. However. I am also firmly of the opinion that establishment Dems are corrupted and taking money from our oligarchs, and that they try to use things like "but we have to compromise and not scare off the centrists" as a smokescreen for their...

I've never seen anyone say they're the same. I have seen a lot of people being accused of "both sides"ing if they dare to criticize the Democrats. Two things can be bad in different ways. Losing a finger and losing a leg aren't the same. I don't want to lose either.

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LemmySuxNow reddthat.com LemmySuxNow@reddthat.com
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#69 · Quote Reply

Dems have to keep a few AOCs or Bernies around or they'd lose what little credit they have.

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lightnsfw reddthat.com lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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#70 · Quote Reply

I don’t want them “defending trans rights” though. I want them enforcing the protection of trans rights through legislative action and enforcement of those laws. “Defending trans rights” is when Republicans go on the offensive about transgender issues so we have to go from being on the offensive on issues like affordability, healthcare and a strong working class to “defending” trans rights. Loo...

I don't want to discount trans issues but also I feel like engaging the republicans with anything more than a "why are you talking about this when people can't afford anything you stupid fucks?" is a waste of time. Even if every trans person was as evil as they say they are there are far bigger problems to focus on. Like why do we need fucking legislation to dictate how trans people are medically treated or if they can play sports? Leave that to the doctors and sports organizations to determine. There should be protections against discrimination and if they're not already included in those they should be, but other than that I can't really think of anything that requires legislation. It pisses me off so much every time I hear one of those ads from these idiots.

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lennybird lemmy.world lennybird@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#71 · Quote Reply

  1. It's not a losing issue if you trace it back to the fundamental principle of individual freedom.

  2. What they're really saying is they're being outspent and the propaganda against trans is winning with low-info voters and they don't know what to do.

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