There are other sources. Including China itself. What do you think ethnic unity is? Like I said I can understand people not trusting it explicitly. That's fair. What's truly frustrating, is the way I see so many especially here hand wave away and dismiss such things. Coming from a group that has experienced this it resonates personally.

Another thing to understand. Is that even if something is a propaganda outlet. Propaganda is typically based around something that is at some level true. The propaganda might misrepresent it. Or use it to imply something else. But just because someone uses it as propaganda doesn't make it not true.

I wish we could have more nuanced discussions of China here. But we can't. Because everything negative about China is automatically false propaganda. It's like talking to magats. And big well-known sources are always lacking because of China's lack of press freedom and access. Something which is not specific to china. It's getting pretty bad here in the United States as well.

"Communist" China, the country with the fastest growing population of billionaires and rapidly growing wealth inequality while the proletariat toil away in terrible working conditions. Slavery with extra steps.

Love how you tankies shout about the imperial west while casually ignoring China's own imperial nature.

Wait, the other day I read over in c/Europe it's perfectly fine for Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia to suppress the Russian language for their Russian minorities in their schools.

So, in the end it's not about any freedom values whatsoever, but about whether it's against our enemies? Shocking.

Let's play a game:

Tankie argument or LITERAL psychology textbook examples of narcistic abuse justification.

IDK... It's really hard. I struggle to tell the difference sometimes.

I hope you know that in the stories online of family members defending or minimizing abuse or molestation from other family members, you would be the ones defending the rapist or the abuser.

You would benefit from studying historical materialism. You wouldn't say such silly things if you had the education.

China has billionaires and private equity under state capitalism, a perfectly normal component of any state transitioning out of capitalism. The bourgeoisie in China have no political sway, are subject to so many regulations it would make your head spin, and actually pay taxes. If a billionaire in China betrays rhe working class they get executed.

To say that China has the "fastest growing population of billionaires" but to not recognize what being a billionaire means under socialist states with working-class parties running their government is to be dishonest intentionally. Saying China isn't socialist because of billionaires is a very silly stance.

As for terrible working conditions, you just made that up. Because you're weak. China is a nation of 1.5 billion people with strong workers rights. Your sinophpbia doesn't matter when we are looking at the material, historical record of the economics of China.

Socialism is a mode of production characterized by a working class dictatorship, workers owning the means of production, and the government having a principle interest in public ownership.

At no point does socialism not have bourgeoisie. They just do not control government and get executed for their social murder schemes. Youre conflating communism, a mode of production without classes, with socialism, a mode of production that empowers workers.

The CCP/PLA and the Russians constantly do this when they illegally occupy a country.

The CCP/PLA took Tibet for the exploitation of natural resources and strategic location. Liberation? Are you telling us murdering over 70 million people, from the 1920's to the present, who disagreed with the CCP is liberating? Get lost. That's why the good folks in Hong Kong SAR, Taiwan and the rest of 1st World Asia despise you.

That’s some mighty fine propaganda you bought into. It’s no wonder you are spreading it, it must have come at a great loss of your common sense.

Everything about them is. They’re gross.

And how many were closed in order to erase their cultural education?

List them if you will. Preferably alphabetical if you don’t mind.

EDIT: yeah. I thought so.

The Russians invaded and colonized Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, shall I continue or we gonna stop here?

Yes, they did. And today those are free states. Which now punish their Russian (Russian speaking, mind you) minorities.

Look, I don't even care that much whether some states decide to suppress languages of their minorities. I care about the messaging. If the virtue signalling is "it is bad to try to suppress language and culture of a minority in the state school system", I can get behind that. But it needs to be a universal concept, then. Especially around our allies. Like, of course China is doing evil shit, I don't expect them to do stuff differently. But I expect my allies and friends to do better.

I'll never understand in these kind of discussions how that concept of using the same scope is difficult, bud here we are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Okay, let’s actually read past the headline and look at what the article itself admits versus what it wants you to believe.

First, the “schools are being shut down and kids are abandoned” narrative. The article buries the fact that Gangjong Grassland Girls' School (one of the three “closed” schools) was already a government-affiliated institution with a curriculum following the state system. So the “closure” is a restructuring of an already integrated school, not the sudden eradication of an independent Tibetan institution.

Second, the “where did the children go?” question. RFA doesn’t tell you. But public reporting does: Golog has 63 boarding schools where rural students get free accommodation, food, and tuition. The reason is geographic. Golog is at an average altitude above 4,000 meters with scattered pastoral populations; daily commuting is not realistic. Boarding is voluntary, decided by parents and students, and kids go home on weekends and holidays. This is logistics, not a plot.

Third, the “language is being erased” claim. The article cites an “expert” saying kids will be forced into Chinese-only schools. Here’s the actual data from Xizang (Tibet): there are over 30,000 bilingual teachers, and the number of full-time Tibetan language teachers grew from 5,800 in 2018 to nearly 8,300. Tibetan language is a core compulsory subject, and in Chamdo, about 94% of ethnic Tibetan students take the Tibetan language exam for college entrance. If that’s “erasure,” it’s the most incompetent erasure campaign in history.

Fourth, the “Ethnic Unity Law is a weapon against Tibetan” line. The law that RFA says is the legal cover for closing schools explicitly states the state shall “encourage all ethnic groups to appreciate each other’s exceptional traditional cultures, and learn each other’s languages and scripts.” That’s Article 29, in black and white. RFA’s “researcher” either didn’t read the law or hopes you won’t.

Fifth, the new schools are invisible in this article. The same month RFA claims schools are vanishing, a brand-new Golog-Xining Ethnic High School (built with paired assistance from Shanghai) was operating with nearly 1,000 students, mostly from herding families. Earlier, the Golog Middle School in Xining received 122 million yuan in investment, largely funded by Shanghai. These aren’t secret facts. They just don’t fit the “cultural genocide” template.

So the next time you see “China closes Tibetan schools,” ask the questions RFA didn’t answer: Were the schools already government-run? Where did the students go? Are there more Tibetan-language teachers now than before? The answers usually make the headline look less like journalism and more like a press release for a very specific political agenda.

You know that annexation happened almost 70 years ago right?

Indigenous lands in north america were taken hundreds of years ago

a region that had 97% illiteracy rate and is now 28% remained the same

Literacy rates improved vastly for indigenous people in the Americas. Does that make that colonialism acceptable to you?

Messaging is nice in a black and white world. Russians invaded, annexed and colonized parts of countries with the intent of becoming the majority / russifying. It was used as an element of cultural genocide (similar to what we are seeing in China with Tibetans and Uighurs.)

Even today, we can literally point at the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an ongoing example of "protection of Russian minorities" as a pretext for an unnecessary war on an independent and sovereign state separate from Russia. So yes, ideally, we should be able to say that ALL minorities in all countries regardless of historical precedent should be properly protected, but we live in a reality where that goodwill and weakness will be exploited by a Russia with imperial ambitions as casus belli for invasion of the Baltics. Forgive me if I take the Baltic's fear of invasion at face value, they were still occupied 36 years ago.

And finally, just to flip the script here a little, the Russians are not exactly saints when it comes to protecting minority languages. Go read about Karelia for gods sakes. It was Finnish less than a hundred years ago.

Everyone who doesn't agree with me is bad, uneducated, and ignorant. Only what I say has any relevance, ever, and I'm also smarter than all of you are.

Why the fuck are we letting 10 year olds on Lemmy?

Never ponder what happened to indigenous inhabitants of Ingria :v