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gedaliyah lemmy.world ![]() gedaliyah@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
Within the first two months of the state of emergency in El Salvador imposed by President Nayib Bukele back in 2022, two of Gladis Álvarez’s sons were arrested and accused of being gang associates. Since then, the 53-year-old woman’s life has fallen apart. “There were eight of us in my family. Now, I’m the only one left,” Álvarez laments. “Since my sons were arrested, our lives have been destroyed in a terrible way,” she adds. |
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flamingo_pinyata sopuli.xyz flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-08-17 |
This kind of sob stories about gang memebers are so counterproductive. Are we supposed to feel sorry that someone who at least willingly associated with extreme violence (if not committed it themselves) is locked up? That being said El Salvador needs a reconciliation plan. These people will not stay locked up forever, and it's important to return them to society without falling in the old ways. Which is made more difficult by all the violence they were exposed to inside prison. I've long held that El Salvadorean prisoners are best understood as PoWs in a civil war, rather than regular criminals. That why "reconciliation" is a much better approach than a legalistic one. Doesn't seem like anyone cares though. |
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johan feddit.nl ![]() johan@feddit.nl Joined: 2023-06-10 |
This kind of sob stories about gang memebers are so counterproductive. Are we supposed to feel sorry that someone who at least willingly associated with extreme violence (if not committed it themselves) is locked up? That being said El Salvador needs a reconciliation plan. These people will not stay locked up forever, and it's important to return them to society without falling in the old ways....
The word "associated" in this context can be as little as "looking like a gang member". People are arbitrarily arrested and locked up, often without real evidence or due process. I of course feel sorry for the many thousands of innocent people who are imprisoned in horrible conditions as well as their friends and family who have no idea exactly where they are. The Bukele regime is barbaric and extremely antidemocratic. And Bukele actually has very much associated himself with Trump and his corrupt circle. These people can't be trusted and don't work for the people, they just want money, power, and influence. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/07/el-salvador-el-costo-humano-del-regimen-de-excepcion-podria-constituir-crimenes-de-lesa-humanidad/ |
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Humanius lemmy.world ![]() Humanius@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-24 |
This kind of sob stories about gang memebers are so counterproductive. Are we supposed to feel sorry that someone who at least willingly associated with extreme violence (if not committed it themselves) is locked up? That being said El Salvador needs a reconciliation plan. These people will not stay locked up forever, and it's important to return them to society without falling in the old ways....
You are running from the assumption that anyone who is locked up in these prisons is also actually guilty of having been involved in gang violence. However there is a lot of indication that a significant portion of innocent people have been swept up in the prisons as well, without access to a proper legal defence. And, in my opinion, the Salvadorian prison system is so horrifically barbaric that accidentally innocently locking people up is akin to violating their basic human rights. |
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Matrix6664 lemmy.world Matrix6664@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-18 |
Take the following point of view to understand what Bukele has done in the country. The gang members in El Salvador are nothing close to the people affiliated with gangs in the US and elsewhere. These people are serial killers, there is no way to rehabilitate and reintroduce such individuals back into society. It is like saying hey let's release El Chapo because his conditions in isolation are inhumane and antidemocratic or take any serial killer and rapist in the same context. For the people that have been caught and claim to be innocent it is far from the truth. Some of these individuals were aiding these gang members in many ways maybe because of close ties to their families. Being of aid to these people makes you just as guilt, you are not innocent. |
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AHemlocksLie lemmy.zip AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-03-10 |
There's a fair bit of vitriol in here for the more "deserving" prisoners, and I kinda get it but it reminds me of a quote I'm going to have to paraphrase. "You don't judge a society by how it treats the best among them. You judge it by how it treats the least among them." Who we are isn't how we act in front of rich and/or powerful people. It's how we act when we are the ones with wealth and/or power. While I fully understand and support condemning atrocious acts, the vitriol and the support of misery says more about us on the outside than it does them on the inside. And then there's all the people who don't even have good evidence to support their arrest. |
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