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Artisian lemmy.world Artisian@lemmy.world
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OpenAI (and allegedly anthropic?) had models prove that the ETH is false. The proof is short, relatively easy to read, and the construction is not esoteric: I believe this is very likely correct.

The Exponential Time Hypothesis (ETH) is the conjecture that it takes exponential time to solve 3-SAT. 3-SAT (short for satisfiability) asks how long it takes a computer to find a solution to a boolean equation of the form (A or not B or C) and (not A or D or E) and (F or not C or D) ...
where there are $n$ boolean variables and $m$ clauses. It was believed that this should take, essentially, $(4/3)^n$ time for the fastest algorithm (roughly equivalent to brute forcing all possible boolean values for the variables).

But it is possible to do much better. They give a divide-and-conquor algorithm based on polynomial interpolation that runs in roughly $2^{n/log(n)}$ time (which grows slower than $b^n$ for any $b>1$). This implementation isn't useful for SAT instances smaller than the universe, so internet security is fine. But often these algorithms get improved.

This is shocking; it was pretty widely believed that ETH was the reason that P!=NP. It has fallen; will any other barrier survive?

(I acknowledge that folks do not like AI solving open questions in math, there are many reasons this is bad for the community. This problem is not like most problems; this is closer to curing cancer than painting a picture. ETH has consequences, and if this approach has a shred of improvement over existing SAT solvers (which it does, or a human would have published this earlier), it will save energy, lives, and resources for humanity for awhile to come.)

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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
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This post is false. The result is unverified. Many of these so-called results have turned out to be fake. Nobody should ever trust Sam Altman and fellow grifters. They're just trying to keep the hype train rolling until it explodes off the tracks.

On October 26, 2026, OpenAI claimed to have disproved ETH.[10][11][12][13][14] The company is asking academics to check the work before anyone treats it as settled.[12] As of October 26, 2026, the claim has not been peer reviewed. OpenAI stated future review of the proof would be done in collaboration with complexity researchers Russell Impagliazzo, Ramamohan Paturi, and Ryan Williams.[10][3] Anthropic then also announced an internal Claude model on October 16th had also disproved ETH and published the details on GitHub. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_time_hypothesis

It's also worth noting that this result doesn't change the unknown status of P/NP.

this is closer to curing cancer than painting a picture.

No, this is definitely not curing cancer.

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Artisian lemmy.world Artisian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
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This post is false. The result is unverified. Many of these so-called results have turned out to be fake. Nobody should ever trust Sam Altman and fellow grifters. They're just trying to keep the hype train rolling until it explodes off the tracks. On October 26, 2026, OpenAI claimed to have disproved ETH.[10][11][12][13][14] The company is asking academics to check the work before anyone treats...

I'm making an evaluation as an area expert. I think this is very likely to hold.

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Artisian lemmy.world Artisian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
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This post is false. The result is unverified. Many of these so-called results have turned out to be fake. Nobody should ever trust Sam Altman and fellow grifters. They're just trying to keep the hype train rolling until it explodes off the tracks. On October 26, 2026, OpenAI claimed to have disproved ETH.[10][11][12][13][14] The company is asking academics to check the work before anyone treats...

No, this is definitely not curing cancer.

This doesn't refute my claim. I said this is more like curing cancer than painting a picture. This is a metaphor in mathematics that's getting thrown around for 'this has applications, it isn't a challenge problem for fun', and I strongly believe that claim. If you disagree, please explain why you believe that breaking the ETH gap will have no real-world consequences.

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carmo55 lemmy.zip carmo55@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-25
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Isn't 2^{n/logn} still faster-growing than any polynomial?

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Artisian lemmy.world Artisian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
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Isn't 2^{n/logn} still faster-growing than any polynomial?

Yes. Perhaps the wording is unclear? This doesn't show P=NP. It shows that P and NP are closer than we expected; that a barrier which many many professionals thought was rock solid is not. There were good reasons to believe ETH; there are not many good reasons (at least right now) to believe $2^{n/logn}$ is optimal.

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
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Isn't 2^{n/logn} still faster-growing than any polynomial?

It's identical to 2^n as you approach infinity, too.

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carmo55 lemmy.zip carmo55@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-25
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Yes. Perhaps the wording is unclear? This doesn't show P=NP. It shows that P and NP are closer than we expected; that a barrier which many many professionals thought was rock solid is not. There were good reasons to believe ETH; there are not many good reasons (at least right now) to believe $2^{n/logn}$ is optimal.

Yeah, i think for a general community post like this, that sentence has too much subtext (SAT is NP-complete so if it was solved in polynomial time then the title of the post would be P=NP not something about ETH).

Anyways, there could always be a hard limit at like n/logn^2 or n/logn^1.000001 or something like that.

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