Link: https://www.404media.co/proton-to-re-interview-staff-about-ai-to-see-who-gets-to-keep-their-job/

https://archive.is/GG1Br

I had been planning to move to proton. Definitely won’t be now.

Fastmail? Mailbox.org?

First mullvad and now proton. Sheeeesh.

So now this is an alternative email thread, right?

Astermail? Fastmail?

Are both also shoving ai down their employees throats and/or guving money to fascists?

Is my only hope hosting and maintaining my own email service?

Because they're trying to find those idiots that mess up the codebase by using ai, right?

Right?

Is my only hope hosting and maintaining my own email service?

Oh boy do I know a "tool" that can help you with that. It'll guide you through the process of getting started. Or if you want, you can have it's agents do it for you. /s

Fastmail seems fairly sensible about AI:

https://www.fastmail.com/blog/not-written-with-ai/

Their email service itself is excellent, and
I appreciate that they recently introduced the option to move your account's data storage out of the USA into the EU. But they're not an encrypted service like Proton or Tuta.

Posteo is a decent one that friends of mine use

What happened with Mullvad?

one of the owners is a fascist

I moved off of Proton to Mailbox.org maybe 6 months or so ago. No complaints. Much happier tbh.

i use posteo but wanted to switch to something else with more aliases but. it works there is no kontroversie... so 1€ per month is good.

And a VPN alt, too? 😅

Ooh, ooh! Can I guess? Is it you?

We’ve known about Proton for way longer then Mullvad. CEO has had TDS for a while now; the AI pivot is like the last 5 degrees of the heelturn.
Same with Omarchy and Brave.

Seconded. Still need to move the last bit of my mail to Mailbox.org. I'd also recommend Fastmail, Tutanota, Disroot, and Mailfence.

And donated the company's earnings heavily to pro-fascist movements.

This is so vague we dont even know if it's a good thing

Can recommend mailfence.com for email, calendar, addressbook.

Reasonably priced, publish yearly transparency reports, support email encryption, don't do bullshit add-ons, have shown to be stable about their principles throughout the years I've been their customer.

tutanota is good

Edit: I have learned that perhaps they are not.

One of the owners is a liberta anarch isolationist who donate to a right-wing anti-immigrant political party, pretty much single-handedly keeping it going, iirc. The company distanced themselves but did not apologize or say ‘fuck one of our owners’ so people are not sure what to make of it.
Don’t know what it has to do with AI though.

re: tuta

Its not. Its to fire people who dont vibe code

Lotta discussion about alternatives.

For email I recommend runbox.com. They just do email, that's it. worker owned, geothermal powered, based in Norway which has better privacy laws than EU and no ChatControl.

For all else, find a NextCloud provider -- there are tons. Even a couple of free ones.

Proton has been sketchy for years. Like every 6 months the get dragged for unethical shit but somehow everyone is surprised each time

thanks for the info i had no idea

So, who's the alternative?

From what I hear Tuta is only barely reputable? Something about false cryptography. Services like mailbox and posteo don't have a free tier. The offerings overall seem to be so bad that gmail is beginning to look somewhat desirable by this point.

Not that it impacts much in the short term. Until a long-term viable alternative shows up, the best I can do is to continue using Proton's free tier so that I am at least somewhat a cents / nickels cost to them rather than a profit.

IVPN is the only one I've found similar to Mullvad.

What's the community consensus on it, though? IIRC, not so good?

TBF, I'm familiar with these IVPN events, but I'm open to learning new & updated facts, fo sho!

Webpages do not load and/or DNS leaks when connecting via NetworkManager

2023 vulnerability

Not to mention that Swiss laws on the matter are unlikely to change anytime soon, (ie. ironclad, in their constitution) whereas Gibraltar is a UK territory and isn't as reliable long-term in that regard —though they've successfully defended against suits before. So, yeah, for now. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Unfortunate disroot just had a major storage hardware issue and is down right now, potentially lost data for customers. So probably not them but agree with the rest.

Good points to think about. This is why I come to .ml, for informed heterodox(?) opinions I didn't expect!

The CEO of Proton is Pro-Trump and that's old news

What would you say, you do here?

That's not what it is, but keep making things up.

“Sign up for free access to this post”.

I'm aware that a link is attached which bypasses this restriction, but if I have to break the law to read the article or alternatively hand over my personal data, then I think it shouldn't have been shared here in the first place.

Archive.is and its variations sadly also exploited their users to DDoS another website and falsified data; they also refused to comply with data protection regulation in the past, and remove personal data from their websites. Wikipedia banned the service entirely and removed all references.

I've used Fastmail for a long time and I'm very happy with it.

I'm so convinced there's a smear campaign against Proton. It makes it very hard to tell what's real.

EDIT Looking at other sources, including their official response on reddit, yes it seems like they've sold out.