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Vinny_93 lemmy.world Vinny_93@lemmy.world
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History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'.

That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

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JeeBaiChow lemmy.world JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-04
#3 · Quote Reply

How many lights do you see?

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AreaKode riskeratspizza.com areakode@riskeratspizza.com
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#4 · Quote Reply

How many lights do you see?

I see... a trusted certificate.

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Rothe piefed.social Rothe@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-08-25
#5 · (edited) Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'. That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

History is written by the victors.

That is a myth though. Probably one of the most repeated myths on the internet.

So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered ‘historical consensus’.

That is complete bullshit as well. People who write such things have no idea how academic history works. Sure governments often have a tendency to have history presented in a certain light which fits their particular political agenda, but academic history functions quite independently of those governments, especially a field such as World War II, which is huge and transnational, being written from all sorts of perspectives and contexts.

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Björn swg-empire.de bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
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#6 · Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'. That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'.

If that were true they would have branded it as communism during the red scare.

History is written by whoever happens to write it down and historians interpret that in context of other sources and the author's likely biases.

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Lemvi piefed.zip Lemvi@piefed.zip
Joined: 2026-08-12
#7 · (edited) Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals:

  1. Make Grok smart
  2. Make Grok agree with Musk

Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

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Katana314 lemmy.world Katana314@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-09
#8 · Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. That is a myth though. Probably one of the most repeated myths on the internet. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered ‘historical consensus’. That is complete bullshit as well. People who write such things have no idea how academic history works. Sure governments often have a tendency to have h...

Maybe a good indicator of that is: We still know about a lot of the horrendous things the USA has done over the centuries.

We didn’t “Heroically defeat a land of savages trying to tear apart this great natural wonderland, and graciously offer them sanctuary out west.” Instead we learn about it as the Trail of Tears.

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October lemmy.world edgemaster72@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-16
#9 · Quote Reply

Stupid based Grok

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ImgurRefugee114 reddthat.com ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com
Joined: 2025-08-26
#10 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

Imagine if they made a separate reasoning mode trained in like reasoning: xhigh,high,medium,low,musk and they just set it to musk mode for internal demos

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#11 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

Your link is broken.

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DrPop lemmy.world DrPop@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-14
#12 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

It's almost as if the truth has a left leaning bias. Hmmmm

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Lemvi piefed.zip Lemvi@piefed.zip
Joined: 2026-08-12
#13 · (edited) Quote Reply

Your link is broken.

Fixed

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Axolotl.cpp lemmy.dbzer0.com Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-10-01
#14 · (edited) Quote Reply

Behold, the internetception

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Zorque lemmy.world Zorque@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-13
#15 · Quote Reply

Fixed

It looks like, for whatever reason, lemmy is trying to format it like a community link rather than an external link.

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UltraBlack lemmy.world UltraBlack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
#16 · Quote Reply

Fixed

Doesn't work for me either. I think the Lemmy.World prefix is not supposed to be there

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#17 · Quote Reply

Fixed

On my end the link is to https://lemmy.ml/post/54563096/trackingai.org/political-test, it should just be trackingai.org/political-test.

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Axolotl.cpp lemmy.dbzer0.com Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-10-01
#18 · Quote Reply

Your link is broken.

Do you have NoScript on? It seems to break the page

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#19 · Quote Reply

Do you have NoScript on? It seems to break the page

I don't know what that is.

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yucandu lemmy.world yucandu@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-12
#20 · Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'. That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'.

They have historians in the loser countries too.

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RustyLog fedinsfw.app RustyLog@fedinsfw.app
Joined: 2026-06-09
#21 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

You forgot:
3. Generate CSAM

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Lemvi piefed.zip Lemvi@piefed.zip
Joined: 2026-08-12
#22 · Quote Reply

You forgot: 3. Generate CSAM

Thanks, now I have that acronym in my search history

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JustPlainDave lemmy.zip JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-09-09
#23 · Quote Reply

These are the same people who say "the Confederacy was Democrats!" Because they have no way of looking past the absolute surface level.

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awaysaway sh.itjust.works awaysaway@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-03-12
#24 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

this is very interesting site. thanks for sharing

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aesthelete lemmy.world aesthelete@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-03
#25 · (edited) Quote Reply

These are the same people who say "the Confederacy was Democrats!" Because they have no way of looking past the absolute surface level.

They bite on even historical / antiquated propaganda and marketing. The socialism in "national socialism" was a marketing device to say "we care about workers too you guys!!!". Nazis cared about the workers and respected socialism about as much as the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" cares about democracy, people, a republic, or even Korea.

🤦 It's the world's biggest suckers falling for it again and again.

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-04
#26 · (edited) Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'. That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

So you're like just a Nazi?

The West and Soviet Union would both agree that Hitler was in no way socialist. If you find yourself that opposed to both sides of the allies that leaves very few political alignments that aren't fascism.

Sure you say Hitler was a fascist too, but I can see no other motivations to try and disagree with the post's statement of the facts.

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BooBees fedinsfw.app BooBees@fedinsfw.app
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#27 · Quote Reply

It's almost as if the truth has a left leaning bias. Hmmmm

“Why are all our kids turning into leftists after spending decades learning the most updated expert knowledge the world has to offer?! It’s a mystery, or witchcraft. Probably witchcraft.”

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saigot lemmy.ca saigot@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-07
#28 · Quote Reply

Behold, the internetception

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AmyAye nord.pub AmyAye@nord.pub
Joined: 2026-06-16
#29 · Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. That is a myth though. Probably one of the most repeated myths on the internet. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered ‘historical consensus’. That is complete bullshit as well. People who write such things have no idea how academic history works. Sure governments often have a tendency to have h...

"History is written by the victors" feels like propaganda authoritarians would push to do things like, erase "slavery = bad" from history.

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BillionaireStew lemmy.world BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-19
#30 · Quote Reply

The development of Grok is quite interesting to me. Musk has two competing goals: Make Grok smart Make Grok agree with Musk Musk seems to be choosing some kind of middle ground. If you look at trackingai.org Grok falls into the bottom left quadrant, like every LLM. Of all LLMs however, it leans the most towards the bottom right.

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baggachipz sh.itjust.works baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-19
#31 · Quote Reply

“Why are all our kids turning into leftists after spending decades learning the most updated expert knowledge the world has to offer?! It’s a mystery, or witchcraft. Probably witchcraft.”

The woke mind virus RRREEEEEEE

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brucethemoose lemmy.world brucethemoose@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-22
#32 · (edited) Quote Reply

Imagine if they made a separate reasoning mode trained in like reasoning: xhigh,high,medium,low,musk and they just set it to musk mode for internal demos

I know that's supposed to be parody, but I'd honestly think about that if I worked at X...

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HeartyOfGlass piefed.social HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-04
#33 · Quote Reply

It's almost as if the truth has a left leaning bias. Hmmmm

If conservatives ever figure this out they might start gutting public educati-- oh.

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LongLive lemmy.world LongLive@lemmy.world
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#34 · Quote Reply

who is lex

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Formfiller lemmy.world Formfiller@lemmy.world
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#35 · Quote Reply

History is written by the victors. So any kind of narrative that would fit the image allied forces have over World War II is now considered 'historical consensus'. That said, Hitler was a fascist who used leftist signal words to appeal to people who weren't doing well financially.

False: history was written by people appointed by Ghisline Maxwell’s dad

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Smaile lemmy.ca Smaile@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-01-28
#36 · Quote Reply

These are the same people who say "the Confederacy was Democrats!" Because they have no way of looking past the absolute surface level.

Don't say that, they 100% can and are just being disengenuous.

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Didntdoit71 feddit.online Didntdoit71@feddit.online
Joined: 2026-02-01
#37 · Quote Reply

who is lex

Lex Luthor, one of Superman's greatest enemies.

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JustPlainDave lemmy.zip JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip
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#38 · Quote Reply

Don't say that, they 100% can and are just being disengenuous.

Maybe, but if you're dumb enough to believe that the Confederacy or the Nazis were the good guys you're dumb enough to believe anything.

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CalypsoGirl lemmy.today CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-08-15
#39 · Quote Reply

I miss the days when everyone agreed what a horrible thing Hitler was and the whole world learned from it & went a few decades resolutely never wishing to repeat any of his philosophies & atrocities.

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Thebeardedsinglemalt lemmy.world Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-17
#40 · Quote Reply

I don't know what that is.

It's a browser plug in that let's you block scripts based on domains. Great for disabling trackers and questionable shit added into a site, but sometimes breaks pages entirely.

I have 1 separate browser solely for porn I run NoScript on. Makes life a hell of a lot easier

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Thebeardedsinglemalt lemmy.world Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-17
#41 · Quote Reply

It's almost as if the truth has a left leaning bias. Hmmmm

That's why facts are the worst enemy of right-wingers

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
#42 · Quote Reply

I miss the days when everyone agreed what a horrible thing Hitler was and the whole world learned from it & went a few decades resolutely never wishing to repeat any of his philosophies & atrocities.

By "everyone" you mean "people you interacted with to the extent to what they said to you."

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RampantParanoia2365 lemmy.world RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-02
#43 · Quote Reply

You forgot: 3. Generate CSAM

I think the government made C-SPAN.

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absGeekNZ lemmy.nz absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
Joined: 2023-06-29
#44 · Quote Reply

They bite on even historical / antiquated propaganda and marketing. The socialism in "national socialism" was a marketing device to say "we care about workers too you guys!!!". Nazis cared about the workers and respected socialism about as much as the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" cares about democracy, people, a republic, or even Korea. 🤦 It's the world's biggest suckers falling for ...

Like the "United" States of America.

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Orygin sh.itjust.works Orygin@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-10
#45 · Quote Reply

Thanks, now I have that acronym in my search history

Bless your soul if you didn't know what that acronym meant

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Archon_Warslut lemmy.world Archon_Warslut@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-23
#46 · (edited) Quote Reply

uh uh, careful- hitler rejected non-"national"-socialists, his own darling invention, one word added onto what used to be the socialist german workers' party. he found the "socialist german workers party", fell in love with them, then added one word/concept, and really fell in love with his own hybrid creation, then deemed all the other brands (there were a lot going around at that time- these were all his street-level political group rivals) wrong and eliminated them, mostly by arranging a street thug gang the brownshirts, and sending them out on beat-down missions, to quickly run through an opponents' rally, give everyone there a quick punch to the jaw, then run off. this intimidation tactic worked well, plus many other illicit tactics. later actions: seized tons of industry, but then put german workers into automatic jobs therein. this is a form of marxist socialism. i agree that its also fascist, just as i insist every version of other realized marxist-socialism was fascist: all the russian and chinese versions and satellite versions. all of them are both fascist and marxist-socialist, as realized.

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Smaile lemmy.ca Smaile@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-01-28
#47 · Quote Reply

Maybe, but if you're dumb enough to believe that the Confederacy or the Nazis were the good guys you're dumb enough to believe anything.

Intelegence has nothing to do with it, they are simply evil people who don't care about others.

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Axolotl.cpp lemmy.dbzer0.com Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-10-01
#48 · (edited) Quote Reply

Oh damn i formatted badly my comment, i fixed

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Tattorack lemmy.world Tattorack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-28
#49 · Quote Reply

Looks like Grok is going to get another patch for "accuracy".

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Tattorack lemmy.world Tattorack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-28
#50 · Quote Reply

who is lex

A rich billionaire who owns a megacorporation with fingers in pretty much everything all over the world, and who basically owns most of Metropolis, a fictional city in America.

He is the arch-nemesis of Superman, and has an obsession with him and his display of ideals.

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Natanael infosec.pub Natanael@infosec.pub
Joined: 2025-01-18
#51 · Quote Reply

I see... a trusted certificate.

I see a relevant xkcd

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