Link: https://truthout.org/articles/dnc-autopsy-finds-kamala-harriss-silence-on-gaza-genocide-cost-her-votes/

As part of its secret “autopsy” report on how former Vice President Kamala Harris lost the 2024 presidential election to President Donald Trump, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) now seems to concede that the Biden administration’s support for Israel amid its continued genocide against Palestinians in Gaza played a large role in her losing votes, sources with knowledge of the report’s…

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How's shaming voters working out for you?

Different people have different ethical systems. Utilitarianism is not the only valid ethical framework. Have some respect for others and stop belittling others deeply held moral beliefs. Some view elections as outcome-driven. Some view voting as an act of personal endorsement.

Don't be a smug asshole and pretend your values are the only valid ones. Progressives are supposed to be open minded and respectful of diversity.

For many people, voting is an endorsement. For many, it is morally wrong to vote for an evil person, even if they are the lesser evil. Voting is a personal thing, and people use different ethical calculus.

Ironically, you are literally using the same ethical systems that the Nazis did. For them, the ends justified the means. That's how they could justify doing medical experiments on prisoners. They said that yes, people would suffer, but more people would be helped than harmed. A respect for persons ethical framework would instead say, damn the final outcome, good ends don't justify evil means. Hell, even the Holocaust was justified based on being the lesser evil, as it in theory would prevent millennia of future racial conflict.

You have far more in common with MAGA than you think. They also justify all their cruelty based on providing the greatest good to the greatest number. Immigrants need to be kicked out, as a racially homogenous society is more peaceful and prosperous. Trans people need to be exterminated, as gender variance causes all kinds of social ills. Voting needs to be heavily restricted, as crazy people are electing the wrong candidates. Utilitarianism is a fundamentally fascist philosophy. The individual does not matter, only the greatest good for the greatest number. If murdering a million saves a billion, it's the right thing to do.

Oh no! You’ve stated the obvious! Soon the tankies and aggrieved lefties will be upon us! We must hurry away!

According to reporting from Axios, members of the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) Policy Project, who were given access to the autopsy report, claim that the DNC’s own data indicated that Harris’s backing of the Biden administration’s pro-Israel policies led voters (particularly younger ones) to withhold support for her as a candidate for president.

“The DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election,” said Hamid Bendaas, a spokesperson for the IMEU Policy Project.

And that’s how you introduce military psyops into a civilian population to divide and conquer, people! Congrats comrades! WINK WINK. Now: who’s ready to buy some time-shares in new oceanside development, huh?!? Hey heyyyy! Nah I’m just kiddin. They know we don’t have any money.

Well . . . yeah.

Yep, democrats can't fail, they can only be failed. It wasn't Harris' fault that she picked the wrong side of this issue both ethically and practically. It wasn't democratic leadership's fault that they precluded a primary and as a result we ended up with such a weak candidate. It wasn't Biden's fault for not prosecuting Trump and pushing as hard as possible to ensure it was illegal for him to run and hold office. It was voters at fault, because voters are obligated to vote for democrats, rather than democrats being obligated to win votes. Up is down, water is dry, red is green.

The fishing expedition was a success 😉

I'd pat you on the back but your horse is to tall.

Dunno, we should be the ones asking you. Oh the irony! Coming from a bluemagite like yourself. Pot calling the kettle black.

If someone votes their conscience that's between them and their deity. That much we agree on. If someone however, campaigns in self sabatoge, attacking those asking for solidarity to defeated an open fascist. Screeching "BlUeMaGa!" or "GeNoCiDe SuPpOrTeR!". IE you.

Literally. They spent well over a year attacking and shaming anyone that called for solidarity to defeat trump. Everyone is free to vote however they want. But the hypocrisy of them criticizing this.

While I can most certainly sympathize with not wanting to perpetuate genocide of any sort, I feel honestly that way too many folks in the last election let perfect be the enemy of ‘good enough’. They wanted a perfect candidate, and I don’t blame them, but they let that get in the way of Harris being good enough to defeat Trump.

If we ever hope to move the Overton window back to the left, we have to be alright with candidates that aren’t perfect. Let’s move back left slowly, in a measured fashion, not piss off all the fascists before we have a chance to win them over to our side. That’ll just result in another Trump.

It is likely that every Republican candidate for the rest of our lives will be a fascist. Ultimately Democratic insiders control the primary. They are after all a private club legally speaking. That means that sometimes, you have to be willing to punish your own side at the general. Otherwise the insiders have no reason to change the direction of the party. Again, it's fascist Republicans from here on out. What you are advocating for is for us to permanently refuse to ever hold the Democrats accountable when they abandon their base. Again, there will never be an election in our lifetime where the opponent isn't a literal fascist. This is just the new normal.

It was gifted to me by Vermin Supreme. :D

not piss off all the fascists before we have a chance to win them over to our side. That’ll just result in another Trump.

See, I was with you up until this.

The whole reason we got Trump was because the center-right Democratic party was trying to court the fascists and abandoning the left. We’re not going to “win over the fascists”, that’s not a thing.

I will follow this up with #DUH

They wanted a perfect candidate, and I don’t blame them, but they let that get in the way of Harris being good enough to defeat Trump.

That's bullshit. She's way too moderate/right for my taste... I still held my nose and voted for her but I'm not going to fault anyone who didn't vote for her.

This article is about a single issue but there were plenty of other issues with our "options" for the last election. Biden sitting on the nomination until after we could have had to primary to find the best candidate, and that's not just on him, it's on his whole inner circle who were all giving bullshit interviews about "he's as sharp as I've ever seen him"... That's the 2 out of the last 3 democratic primaries falling into the "sketchy af" category.

If anyone deserves the blame for this it's the Democratic party/leadership being co-opted by people largely indistinguishable from Republicans, acting like they get to preordain who gets the nomination and choosing poorly. The party is rotting from within while fossils who are more scared of the party moving to the left than they are of Trump.

Even though I voted for Harris, I completely disagree with you. It's up to the candidate to court the voters. It's not up to the voters to just fall in line with a party. The fault is very squarely on the DNC.

You must hurry away indeed, as your lies can't stand in the face of the facts.

Bluemaga are completely incomprehensible these days.

Could you translate this from cultspeak to english, pls?

lmao I voted for Harris you absolute dingus

They're saying that Harris's support of Israel was a ploy to help Donald Trump's campaign. I think that's what they're saying atleast.