The supermarket is my 3rd space

It's all about compatibility. This is in your favor.
If you had taken your ex'es grocery shopping early on then they wouldn't be your ex'es now.

Power armor and terrorism, you say? Could I interest you in Warhammer 40K?

Sure, Adolph, go ahead and tell yourself whatever lies you need to go to sleep at night.

We see you.

/s

I'm sorry for your downvotes. I can think of several reasons not to return the cart, with different levels of validity.

I'm almost always alone, not in a hurry, and quite healthy. I will look around for additional carts to return with mine because I recognize that, in the future I might be the one without to privileges. In short: Got chu, fam.

This is such hot garbage. Like I'm sorry but people stare and laugh when I bring my wheelchair to the store but then stand to reach a shelf. I've so often barely finished shopping out of exhaustion

Have to take a break after entering the store.
Have to take a break halfway through.
Have to take a break before check out.
Have to take a break before parking lot.
Take a longer break recouping in the car because groceries are fucking heavy with a spinal fracture.

Just because someone CAN do a given task doesn't mean they can do it to the ability level of everyone else. Nor can they do it without longterm consequences, yes I can walk a few blocks, but I'll be unable to move at all the next three days.

If someone says they can't do something because of physical limitations, leave them the fuck alone about it and accept people struggle in unseen ways.

This ^

A just society requires you do to more than just police your own actions, you have to contribute to the commons to cover for the underprivileged that can't.

Wrangling kids? Leave the cart.
Walking is painful? Leave the cart.
Don't want to be late for something more important? Leave the cart.

I know almost always none of those are true for me, so I check around for carts to move into the corral or store both when I get there and once I'm done with the cart I ended up using. My good luck means I should improve the commons, not just avoid ruining it.

I order online for pickup which takes up way more of the staffs time. Am I a civitizen?

There is no such thing as a good person , we are both good and evil....given perspective.

The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of each of us.

Wow I would hate that too. I try to spend as little time in the grocery store as possible. I almost always have a list of exactly what I want and that’s it. It’s hard enough finding things that are on the list, never mind remembering new things to buy.

Most of the stuff in a grocery store is junk food. The good stuff is at the ends and around the back, with only a few good things in the aisles (staples like olive oil, spices, rice, pasta, canned tomatoes).

lol, this is how my first roommate vetted me. I guess I passed the test.

I'm fully mobile now and do the same. I think the downvotes are funny, but thanks for the support.

I normally walk into the store and try to hold my groceries with my two stupid hands. I was just getting a few things. And the a few more. Then I schlep around the store cursing the god that didn't make me an octopus.

Instructions unclear, cardiac surgeons are the line between good and evil.

My local supermarket in Germany doesn't have coin slots in its carts. This was unusual for me, too, though; maybe an urban-rural-divide.

Heinlein liked to turn sociopolitical thought experiments into novels. Stranger in a Strange Land was published a year and a half after Starship Troopers. If you're not familiar, it's basically about starting a massively successful free-love commune religion. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, five years later, is about a libertarian (arguably anarchic, by some definitions) revolution for independence.

I think any attribution of advocacy for any of the political ideologies expressed in his books, even when vindicated by the narrative, misses the point a bit. It seems much more likely that he was exploring various political ideas through the narrative form.

Kinda like this post about The Twilight Zone:

Meanwhile I have no idea what a limo burrito is

You know I actually have dislocated my knee twice. Still have never done that though.

Nah. "Don't cause unnecessary harm", job done, you're a good person now.

Well now we have to discuss what harm we consider "necessary", and that's where things get pretty tricky.

I'm a horrible person but I always return the shopping trolley.

Ugh.. This clashes for me with what actually happens in the movie. You're basically saying only a good fascist returns the shopping cart.

But we all know, only fascists won't return their shopping cart. Monsters..

"From how they choose a parking spot"

You no idea how much you just outed yourself as an american and not at all part of the "fuck cars" community that's so popular here on lemmy for objectively good reasons. It's fucking sad that was the first thing you thought was relevant.

There's philosophy and then there's the real application. There are tons of lines that, when crossed, we as a society consider evil. Rape, torture, murder etc. are usually considered "evil enough" for perpetrators to be permanently removed from society.

Is this one of these american things? I have never seen someone not returning the shopping cart.

Haha, the authority figures in this movie are fascists. And that famously goes right over the heads of ding dongs.

Gonna be honest, I'd find that pretty endearing!

I guess they don't have to put a euro in?

Why should I have to throw my garbage in designated garbage bins? They can just hire someone to go pick up trash in the ditches. Why does everyone defend the government? Just hire someone to go clean the side of the road all day long. Hire 2, 3 or 40000 people

I worked at garbage disposal and loved going outside and pick up the trash people threw from their cars.

Ah, it's a common problem. I'll explain. It's a joke.

In my neighborhood the grocery stores stopped requiring a coin to get them during COVID-19 lockdowns. They kept it that way, and people put the carts back in the parking lot (although most people walk to the shops).

Sweden doesnt have them and people return them. The one problem is a lot of peoplr also kinda steal them but that would not be prevented by 1 euro.

If anything it's a hassle for the customers, the supermarkets themselves don't have to deal with the cash. It's a deposit. Turns out losing NOK 10 is a very good incentive for people to behave.

I wonder why that is. I mean that location-based brake must be way more expensive than those simple mechanical coin deposit slots.
If you don't know, the carts are chained together and you can only remove one when you put in €1 or so, and you only get that back when you chain the cart back in - it's not perfect, but good enough. Turns out people are very much willing to walk a few metres to get that back.

My guess is that American stores don't want to inconvenience their customers. The fear of losing even .01% because of introducing a system like that.

I can't really reply to your much appreciated homelessness rant; probably because I have never seen it as bad as it seems to be in at least some places in the USA. My empathy though.

Anything where the goal is objectively to help the other person. Pain caused by the dentist, for instance. That's technically harm, but it's necessary, and it's objectively helping the person being subjected to pain.

Anything ideology-related (like conversion camps) is unnecessary harm, because ideology (or morality, for that matter) is subjective.

Locking someone in prison is necessary harm - you're protecting other people from the harm caused by the person locked up, and that's an objective fact.

Killing someone in a defensive war is necessary harm - you're the one being invaded, you can either defend yourself or get killed.

To me, it's all fairly simple.

I've worked in retail and I disagree. Trying to keep everything in order but constantly having to deal with shoppers messing stuff is frustrating.

Where I live they often end up dumped outside people's houses. They use them like personal carts and pile them up at home on the street until the shops come past and collect them

*edit
I live in Australia

Pretty sure they're just going in order of operations? The first thing you do if you drove to the grocery store is park, that's why they said it first. Weird ass little comment you've made here though lmao

I mean the director explicitly made it to "seduce" people to fascism so the ding dongs that fell for it stand for nothing and would be the idiots that would fall for fascism.

It's a good litmus test.

I agree.

And BTW, in the US for example (and increasingly more countries), the designated bins no longer go different places. They all end up in the same landfill. We need to stop producing so much trash or make the companies who make all the plastic pay to dispose of the products at the end of their lives.

Doordash, hyerbolically? Metaphorically? referring to the transport vehicles as limos

My first job at 15.5yo was the grocery store. I bagged and got carts for work when bagging could be plastic (newer), paper (common), or a combo of both (old people, usually). If you don't return your cart, fuck you! Now I live a few blocks from the same grocery store and return that shit to the inside of the store, grabbing spares sometimes if they're just sitting around in the way. It used to surprise me when someone didn't return it, then the last couple decades happened and it makes more sense. There are just some people who want to be a part of society and others who want to benefit from it while not contributing to it.

Just what an insanely out-of-touch thing to say lol.

People from the "fuck cars" community are plainly aware that America largely does not have walkable cities and understands cars being necessary in some of those places, while advocating for infrastructural changes which would render cars unnecessary.

"It's fucking sad that was the first thing you thought was relevant" yeah, it sucks that we literally would have to walk miles through pathless landscape, crossing over busy highways on foot, to reach our destination. And since, naturally, it would be fucking insane to do that literally every day, we have to buy in bulk.

Idk, sounds like you're just kinda privileged.

this guy is right and the downvotes are insane. You don't always know what's going on. All they are asking is that maybe you don't judge people so harshly when you don't understand their situation. Jesus christ.

"No, I refuse! The world is perfect and you should have had a nurse or aide that you could totally afford help you out if it's such a challenge for you! You were able to run the first half of the mile! Why can't you finish it out?"

Ableist slime.

You were able to run the first 90% of the mile! Why're you slowing down so much?!

Yes, this is always an option available. There are always parking spots near the corrals, and the corrals are never in the middle of the parking lot, forcing a person with a disability to cover considerably more distance.

To clarify, you were doing the shopping yourself? With the dislocated knee? Because that's literally what they are saying happened. Not that they dislocated it once and then never returned the carts again. They say clearly below that they are fully mobile and return the carts now. So do you really want to stand by what you're saying?

You’re following the same train of thought that justifies a lot of the rich futurists’ actions. It’s objectively better to help 20 million people down the line even if it costs 1 million lives today, right? I mean, net 19 million. To me, that’s simple.

Or at least ask a passer-by?

If my knee was hurt so much I couldn't walk right, I wouldn't be driving a car either.

Ha! Let me tell you an anecdote.

My apartment building is positioned around 7 to 10 minutes walking distance to IKEA, a huge department store and a few small grocery stores. People would be fine dragging a IKEA/department store/grocery store cart for 10 fucking minutes being loud and an ass. And of fucking course they wouldn't bring them back.

Also, some of them would bring one INSIDE OF THEIR FUCKING APARTMENT and keep it on the balcony filling it with trash. In some cases, they would bring trash inside cart out to the trashcans (we have private that open only with our key) and leave cart with their trash at the trashcans.

On average, our apartments are expensive and most of our neighbors are wealthy enough to rent these apartments. Yet, we got swines all over our apartment block...

Edit: wanted to add that this is in a major city of an EU country.