No one ever does.

We need regulated capitalism. I don't mind working for money. Most lemmys would like to smoke weed all day and not do shit. World dont work like that kids.

Capitalism with regulation and taxation of billionaires. Welfare state for the sick and elderly. Why is this so hard? We don't need communism.

Fired: adventurist action doesn't end the system that created those 90 people

Couldn't come up with much that rhymed with tired but that is probably because I am tired

Depends on the instance. For example: I can say, "we should all get together and murder these people for what they have done to us" and I would likely only get banned from this community or the instance that hosts it. My home instance simply wouldn't care

"private individuals or companies that own and control businesses and property", the simplest definition of capitalism

Bad definition of Capitalism. This existed in Feudal states. Simple definitions are rarely the ones to use.

Okay how do you stop the capitalist who run our government and all of our economic production from getting rid of that welfare once their profits dry up? They own the military and all of its assets btw.

The treats they gave us have been a concession from the start. They were given because we put up enough of a fight that the capitalists worried not giving them to us would be worse. They will take them away if we don't keep that fight, and its implicit threat, going. I don't want all of our future generations for the rest of time to have to keep up that fight.

Maybe find an economic system not dependant on exploitation? There's gotta be one out there somewhere

the post is about who is doing it, who is responsible,

it's supposed to make the problem less abstract

While killing them would be progress, the real need is a revolution.

Cooperatives are the best answer. Capitalists will argue they should outcompete traditional firms in the market. If they're supposed to be better they'd win, right? But the thing is they're only better for most people.. and not the few richest that benefit the most from the current capitalist system. And everyone's too damn brainwashed to understand private ownership of the means of production is the root cause of so many problems. But let's just regulate capitalism.

If cooperatives goal is to provide for its members and community while a traditional firms goal is profit maximization, regulation fixes nothing.

Yeah, kinda like that time Brian Thompson got shot, and the next day United Healthcare ceased to exist.

Their HP definitely went down. And, anecdotally, I heard from a pharmacist friend that they were approving claims like nobody's business for the next day or so

in the same position

Important to note that those people would be acutely aware of how vulnerable said position is. People act differently when they're reminded of their own mortality.

If you bust out the guillotine, the people who replace them will behave as if they've seen what happens when the guillotines get busted out.

So if we kill 90 oil executives we stop using oil?

The problem its not just some rich guys they are just the hitmen. Its PetroStates that are behind them. Its not about money at this point its about power and a house of cards those states put in place completely propped up by oil. As in if they stop oil their Nation collapses and they dragged from into the streets and eliminated.

People keep curling out small humans, so oil-derived fertiliser is the only thing preventing a famine that would kill billions.

Imagine if we just locked all the doors and firebombed Davos. Could save humanity in one day of work.

edit: for legal reasons I wish to clarify this is a joke

Everyone who is into "we keep using oil no matter what, shut the fuck up" gets scared and guess what - controllable. Tactic sounds familiar? That's because it should

We stop the oil propaganda. Without that, we do gradually stop using oil, because the alternatives are

• cheaper
• easier to obtain
• do not need dependency on Russia/middle east, which are both politically toxic

Renewables+nuclear is cheaper and in a truly free market would beat out oil

100% this, and not an explicitly violent revolution, either. We need to build alternative power structures to replace our heirarchical society. Simply replacing our elites using violence would end up with a new set of elites who are very provably willing to use violence against their enemies. IMO this is one of the major reasons that marxism-leninism has historically yielded authoritarian states, e.g. the USSR.

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I said nothing of the sort. But I ask once again: If we execute these 90 people, will that make us stop burning oil? Is it at least a helpful step down the path of stopping to burn oil?

If not, then please just don't act as though these 90 people are all we have to overcome to save the planet.

We stop the oil propaganda

How? Will these 90 people not just be replaced?

Cheaper is not the same as more profitable. It's an important distinction. You can't own and control the sun and charge people to harvest the energy. Monopolizing and gatekeeping are the end goals of capital owners.

Unless you think the Chinese market is more free. They're producing solar panels like crazy.

Oh probably. Luckily it's also pretty easy to make new fire too though.

I just want to say that the idea that we could develop a crowdsourced bounty system on the dark web using cryptocurrency would be illegal and I would never publicly support it.

We make an example of the previous ones.

Well then we just need to stagger the killings in intervals to keep them in check. Simple solution.

Majority?

Nah
Those that actively want to hurt people from the lgbtq+ is small.

It's still puts the group at a higher risk of identity based hate crimes.

But it's not a majority. Even people who disaprove of it don't actively wish harm on the rainbow people

At what point can we sue them for the many crimes against humanity? The many, many,….

(The oil executives that is just to be clear!)

(Am I kidding? …probably, yeah sure I am)

Soon you are ready to realise that no, they are sock puppets of what is essentially a giant demonic entity that is Immortal and Controls human and replaces these humans when they misbehave or malfunction

Say the Americans who consume 3x the energy of other developed nations.

"Jeff bezos forced me to live in the desert and run AC 10 months of the year"

"Bill Gates made me drive my car to get groceries"

"Bring back plastic straws"

"Roll coal, baby!"

I’m so tired of the defeatist mentality in a lot of people. Nothing is gonna change unless we move forward together.

Yes, the Soviet union and China ran/run on unicorn powder and butterflies. Surely capitalism and those 90 guys are the problem.

Exactly. People love to pretend they aren't part of the problem as they keep their houses at 70 throughout 100° heat, roll car while driving their cars, and order boat loads of temu junk.

Lick those oil exec boots just a little harder and I'm sure they'll send you an invite to the pedo party.

So these ninety or so specific people, is someone keeping a list somewhere?

Because the average American and European feels their convenient lifestyle is more important than the life of the planet. They'll talk the talk about the environment, but they won't walk the wall with their votes or actions.

"private individuals or companies that own and control businesses and property", the simplest definition of capitalism

That's not the simplest definition because it's not the definition of capitalism at all. You can have property ownership without capitalism.

Their real death will be through obsoletion.

It costs 7.5% of GDP to halt climate change.

But each 12.5% of GDP is lost per +1°C

The problem is that the people who need to pay are not the people who will be most affected.

Which I should clarify is already here. They just don't want us to think that yet cause they invested in a bunch isht that is now obsolete.

It's all ducken obsolete them fossil fuels is. Don't get me wrong, a tank of clean propane is dandy for a Sunday grill, but solar's where it at

nobody said oil executives are somehow blameless or ok, it's just funny to shift literally all blame away from you

They literally conspired to make the entire country not only dependent on their products, but did so knowing the harm those products caused to both the people and environment. The majority of the blame rests there and pretending that any amount of "personal responsibility" needs to be addressed is just so fucking stupid and self-defeating that it practically borders on sabotage. Let's get mired in blaming each other for our own minuscule, largely involuntary contribution while they keep filling their pockets with our blood.

I think this is a bit overly optimistic, the ruling class own like 99% of every industry, not just fossil fuels. We can't just wait for history to take its course, we need to start building a worker-led movement to replace our exploitative heirarchical society, that's how we can make the ruling class obsolete. We need to get our shit together and actually do a lot of work to achieve this.

Oil is only profitable for the people producing oil, which is not most people

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/

Sometimes I like to gaze lovingly into their faces while writing their names in my diary.

OP is pointing out that most Americans are licking oil exec boots.

Do you have a car with an internal combustion engine? Bootlicker.

https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/

And it's name is Greed.