Oh this is crazier than I initially imagined. My first gut reaction was conspiracy. If it is then there's some collateral damage.

A driver of a blue Ford intentionally ran over a Homeland Security Investigation special agent resulting in him being on the hood of the vehicle.

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If I was ran over that means the tires were on my body.

The conditions of the car crash per the NYT:

Mr. Orta died in a fiery car crash at around 1 a.m. on Saturday when he lost control of the vehicle he was driving and struck a utility pole. The car caught on fire and Mr. Orta died before the three other people in the car, including a stepsister, were able to pull him out, Mr. Arriaga said. The crash over the weekend had no connection to the shooting last March.

According to a preliminary San Antonio police report, which did not name Mr. Orta, the person behind the wheel was driving “at a high rate of speed” when he attempted to exit the highway and lost control of the vehicle.

Mr. Arriaga got an alert on his phone about the crash and headed to the scene. When he arrived at around 1:30 a.m., he saw a charred vehicle and his injured daughter. “The three of them got out and they were trying to pull him out, but then it exploded,” Mr. Arriaga said.

Mr. Orta’s stepsister, who suffered several bruises and burns, remained at the hospital, Mr. Arriaga said.

Yeah but the headline! Run over sounds worse than struck.

Pedantry.

Semantics, actually.

well done troll good sir.

Okay but this is ped... or no, it's sem...
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... well played.

Yeah that paragraph is unrelated to this kid's situation beyond pointing out how trigger happy ICE was in murdering his friend.

accident

Maybe? Hopefully? I'm really, really hating that I have to question this. >.<

Run... under?

Oh you are right. This article is a mess. They didn't even name the driver that killed the guy.

The other three in the car including his sister said nothing about anything suspicious, and they surely would have.

And if you believe that "someone is keeping them quiet", then all bets are off and nothing anyone says matters. :shrug:

How politically expedient.

Probably nothing, but reminds me of Michael Hastings who felt stalked by LAPD and died in single vehicle crash
Probably nothing

Cars don't explode like in movies

It's also a huge vulnerability that modern cars have internet connections and could easily trigger the immobilizer or drive it into a wall

That begs the question: what were they driving?

I thought Tesla's were a little bit on the explody side of things.

I’m not going to lie this made me laugh full throated and I wasn’t even stoned. I needed that, thank you.

Firey, yes. Explodey? Not so much from what I've seen.

Driving in the USA is like standing too close to the window in Russia

A car accident is the USA's "falling out of window"

They also didn't mention what kind of car was in the accident.

Yeah I think the issue is the fiery and all electric means you're locked inside with the fire...

I wasn't trying to imply that the nazimobiles were safe. Just that they are mostly dangerous to the Nazi supporters that buy them.

Oh I think they're perfectly fine for the nazis that biy them I was just being... an ass? Unsure the best adjective, there was more to the true you said lol.

There are only a handful of models that use a drive-by-wire system where an electronic attack would let you do something like that (Teslas and some models of Humvee are the only ones I know right off I was wrong, both models I was thinking of would not allow this either. There's only four models in the US where this would be possible.) - pretty much everything else still uses supplementary physical connections to prevent loss of control during a hardware failure. Loss of steering assist or activation of an immobilizer will cause your engine to shut down and your controls to be less responsive, but it does not cause you to lose control of a car and both have a long enough purely mechanical delay to allow you to safely stop the vehicle.

There's no way for a remote attacker to "drive your car into the wall" unless you're using one of those very rare models. Even cars with lane assist are designed so that -mechanically- they cannot override user input.

At least the fire can't escape.

"I'm not locked in here with the fire... the fire is locked in here with ME."

The victim had a loving family with him, so it couldn't have been a Tesla

I fucking hate this timeline.

"at a high rate of speed" fucking pig codespeak

Seeing this coincidentally. I may be wrong about the immobilizer but even having one aspect of the car fail could cause issues if the person isnt expecting it, especially if they are already speeding. Also theres no saying if there could have been physical sabotage to the car or that he was driving something with issues like a recent honda (steering rack issues that cause them to lock up)

If you're defending the idea this was him being killed by ICE - while I personally doubt it was (why would ICE care enough to do this elaborate conspiracy BS that almost failed when they could just, you know, shoot him) - that's not really needed here, I'm not trying to make a case either way. I'm just pointing out that "hacking a car" can't, outside of a handful of models, be used by a hacker as an automatic crash button. Even that example you linked to at worst just disabled the engine or the electronic brakes, which wouldn't inherently cause someone to lose control of a car outside of those very few models (idk if you've ever had an engine die while you're driving, but it really isnt a big deal to manage).

Pretty much all modern cars cannot be forced to crash by a hacker - maybe, if they're lurking and waiting until you're speeding and then disable systems right as you're turning it could increase the chance of you crashing, but modern cars are also extremely safe in an accident. Even in a tremendously bad incident like the above, everyone survived the impact - he only died because of the resulting fire. And again, he wasn't the one driving, so his position in the car wouldn't have been predictable... sorry, he wasn't the owner of the car? This just doesn't add up when ICE can just, you know, shoot people and get away with it.

How... convinient, for some.

How new is modern? Off the top of my head I remember a bunch of models affected by the Jeep crystler dodge head unit to can bus hack. I'd be suprised if KIA hadn't fucked it up. And remember, you don't need steering, you just control of the throttle, maybe the brakes or traction control.

I don't think ICE killed this guy(unless he was driving a Tesla then maybe). But the CIA and Mossad like to kill people this way

a handful of models

I'm not saying they did him in because that's just a conspiracy theory, but your claim is a touch outdated.

Anything that has lane assist or parking assist, on any model has buss managed controls.

Manufacturer,Model,Type of Auto Control
Tesla,Model 3,Autopilot / Full Self Driving
Tesla,Model Y,Autopilot / Full Self Driving
Tesla,Model S,Autopilot / Full Self Driving
Tesla,Model X,Autopilot / Full Self Driving
Ford,Mustang Mach-E,BlueCruise
Ford,F-150,BlueCruise
Ford,Expedition,BlueCruise
Ford,Escape,Lane Keeping Assist
GM,Cadillac CT4,Super Cruise
GM,Cadillac CT5,Super Cruise
GM,Cadillac Escalade,Super Cruise
GM,Chevy Silverado,Super Cruise
GM,GMC Sierra,Super Cruise
Hyundai,Ioniq 5,Highway Driving Assist
Hyundai,Ioniq 6,Highway Driving Assist
Hyundai,Santa Fe,Remote Smart Parking Assist
Hyundai,Palisade,Remote Smart Parking Assist
Kia,EV6,Highway Driving Assist
Kia,EV9,Remote Smart Parking Assist 2
Kia,Sportage,Lane Keeping Assist
Kia,Telluride,Highway Driving Assist
Toyota,Camry,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping
Toyota,Corolla,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping
Toyota,RAV4,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping
Toyota,Highlander,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping
Honda,Accord,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping
Honda,Civic,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping
Honda,CR-V,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping
Honda,Pilot,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping
Nissan,Ariya,ProPILOT Assist and ProPILOT Park
Nissan,Rogue,ProPILOT Assist
Nissan,Leaf,ProPILOT Assist
Mercedes-Benz,S-Class,Drive Pilot
Mercedes-Benz,EQS,Drive Pilot / Active Steering Assist
Mercedes-Benz,E-Class,Active Steering Assist
BMW,5 Series,Driving Assistant Professional
BMW,7 Series,Parking Assistant Professional
BMW,iX,Highway Assist
Audi,A6,Lane Assist
Audi,A8,Parking Assist Plus
Audi,Q7,Lane Centering and Parking Assist
Volkswagen,ID.4,Travel Assist
Volkswagen,Tiguan,Lane Assist
Volkswagen,Atlas,Lane Assist
Subaru,Outback,EyeSight Lane Centering
Subaru,Forester,EyeSight Lane Centering
Subaru,Crosstrek,EyeSight Lane Centering
Volvo,XC90,Pilot Assist
Volvo,XC60,Pilot Assist
Polestar,Polestar 2,Pilot Assist
Lexus,RX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering
Lexus,NX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering
Lexus,ES,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering
Rivian,R1T,Driver Plus
Rivian,R1S,Driver Plus
Lucid,Air,DreamDrive

Totally not sus at all

I think you've misunderstood - while there are many models with the ability to steer the car without human input, there are almost none that do not have a direct mechanical link in addition to those systems so that the human can override those controls in the event of malfunction.

You can see that while it does have supplemental electrical controls, there's still a purely mechanical connection. I will admit I made an error in my initial post: Teslas do not use steer-by-wire either. As near as I can find there are only four models (in the US) that do not have at least a supplemental direct mechanical connection - and current safety standards make it borderline impossible for new models without that to be legal on US roads.

Or the judge in Netanyahu's corruption case dying in a single vehicle crash.