Does a license like this exist?

You can create your own license with whatever idiotic limitations you wish.

Example: Litsenzy -- zis code for no bad peple, no robots and no to that ugly shit who stepped on my foot yesterday in ze tram.

Yikes 😬 you seem unhinged

Licensing only works as well as enforcing it. How do you show a LLM consumed your code as part of its training data?

The problem is that the AI companies claim they are just "reading" the code to let their AI models learn from it, thus licenses / copyright doesn't apply in their interpretation of the situation.

There are various licenses that do that, but by definition they are not open source. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

As nice as this would be, it's not very likely... Licenses are usually limp suggestions from the perspective of companies with billions of dollars. AI companies train on millions of copyrighted materials, both literature and art, without any express permission from the authors or artists, and with essentially no recourse or compensation to the authors. You could append a 'no AI training' clause to an existing license like the MIT license, but the impact that will have will mostly be brief personal satisfaction and won't change what the AI companies do. It's genuinely more useful to keep code proprietary to prevent it from being used to train AI models.

The interesting thing is that from my testing with very niche code, it downright copied the only online example (my repo.) It even reused my variable names.

Freedom 1 of the four software freedoms is:

The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.

I found this, which adds additional text to the existing licenses to prohibit training an AI on the licensed code:
https://github.com/non-ai-licenses/non-ai-licenses

Though, per OSI's definition, your code probably would no longer be open source, since training an LLM is technically considered a field of endeavour:

OSD number 6:

The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

Yeah, but you (or someone in a similar situation) will have to take them to court for the legal situation to be clarified. Just putting another license on the code will not stop them.

We need a new field of licensing, something like Ethical Source License. With AI being a thing on-the-field, and even before tbh, Open Source has alas become a paradigm of the past.

Some authors typed the first few sentences of their book and the LLM spit out the rest.

Technically, a lot of them already disallow this without maintaining copyright notices, which the AI companies aren’t doing. I doubt the AI companies would follow the new license, but at least it would be even more explicitly illegal.

Literally any license that says any derivatives of your work must include attribution, bonus points if you use a license that says derivative works must be shared under the same license, eg GPL or MIT.

The AI Bros will take it anyway though and ignore your license, and the courts are very pro-business and AI is like half the US economy at this point, so it's probably all pretty pointless.

They're currently being sued for just that in Doe's v. GitHub et al, which has already been going on for years. Currently its waiting to be scheduled in the 9th circuit, they've already been waiting 18 months.

(Edited to correct, see comment below)

Maybe you could say that AI training is not a use of the program, it is a use of the source code.

Do you think the companies scraping your data give a fuck?

It may be that such a license can't exist. The way these viral copyleft licenses work is that they offer things to people who accept them that copyright otherwise doesn't permit. The usual example: you can distribute copies of this work (a thing that copyright prohibits you from doing by default) but in exchange you must release any derivative works you make under the same licence.

The problem is that you actually can reject that licence. You can download the software (that's allowed because the person distributing the software agreed to the copyleft license) and then decide you're not going to accept the license that came with it. At that point you're restricted by ordinary copyright and can only do the things you'd normally do with it.

There have already been court cases in the US that have ruled that training an AI is fair use, and the resulting model is not a derivative work covered by the copyright of the original. So you can just go ahead and train the AI at that point.

That generally only happens in cases of overfitting, where the model was trained on a poorly de-duplicated data set that contains many copies of that book (or excerpts, quotes, and so forth). This is considered a flaw by AI trainers and a lot of work goes into sanitizing the training data to prevent it.

(Facedeer is a prolific pro-AI concern troll from Reddit, so take his post here with a huge grain of salt)

Did I say anything incorrect?

CC BY-SA is this, in spirit.

This license enables reusers to distribute, remix, adapt, and build upon the material in any medium or format, so long as attribution is given to the creator. The license allows for commercial use. If you remix, adapt, or build upon the material, you must license the modified material under identical terms.

See: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

There are other flavours of Creative Commons licenses that might suit you better. Anyway, worth looking into.

MIT is a permissive license and it doesnt enforce anything.

if you want freedom, use strict licenses like GPL.

Gnu has a great guide on licenses

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

No. I explained the same thing a few days ago at https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55176429/24029241 without remembering anything you ever wrote.

Thanks. This has actually been a thing that bothered me many years before AI was ever a thing, there are open source programs I've installed that pop open a clickwrap "agree with the GPL before you can install this" step and it shows a misunderstanding of how these licenses fundamentally work. They're not EULAs.

As for whether I'm a "concern troll", AI happens to be an area of significant interest to me right now and so I've been commenting a lot on it. My opinion on it also happens to be unpopular. I don't like the idea of closed social media bubbles where only groupthink is allowed, so I just go ahead and speak my mind even knowing it'll likely get hit with a lot of downvotes. I'm finding the Fediverse to be a lot more insular than Reddit is in this regard, I suspect because the population in general is a lot smaller, but at least downvotes don't tend to "bury" comments.

If anyone can't stand reading my comments, I recommend blocking me. It's the ultimate downvote.

But you're otherwise disgusted by the fact that material is plagiarized without consent to begin with...

...Right, FaceDeer?

You went digging through my Reddit comments to find a two-month-old thread, that must have taken a lot of effort. But I'm afraid I don't see what the relevance of it is, aside from a general "it's about AI". The bulk of the comments I wrote there were about water usage.

I'm genuinely puzzled. Are you saying that deduplicating data is "hiding unethical behaviour?" It's actually intended for improving the model's performance, having a model spit out exact copies of its training data means you've produced a hugely expensive and wasteful re-implementation of copy-and-paste rather than a generative AI. The whole point of generative AI is to produce novel outputs.

If we can play semantics, the program (the compiled binary) can be used for anything with no field restrictions.
But the code is not the program itself, it's the recipe, and usage could be restricted in some specific ways.
In my opinion, since free licenses already have restrictions regarding distribution, saying AI models trained on this data are derivative works and must be licensed compatible (ie training data set, methods and models themselves being free).
I feel it's a better middle ground where the freedom of users are not violated nor restricted, and the code/knowledge stays free

On that other question you raise, here is the FSF's position: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ClickThrough

Yeah, I'm not bothered by the actual clicking of "I accept the GPL", it's more the misunderstanding of it that the existence of the click-through represents. If someone's licencing their code I would hope they'd spend a bit of time researching how the license they're using actually works.

OSI is not US court (or at least I hope not).
Playing on words isn't going to get the license accepted.

On the other hand, why does it have to be accepted?
You are doing something different. Just do the different thing.

That is a great guide, thanks for the info. Edited my comment to correct.

Right, but I don't see a 'and you can feed it to a neural network on demand such that it can reproduce code that a user can then have plausible deniability that it was licensed on a certain way and be able to redistribute it under an incompatible license"

Free software licenses generally don't restrict what kind of study or what kind of changes you can make. A lot of licences explicitly say "for any purpose". There are licences that add additional restrictions, for example restricting the field of use to non-military, but they are not free software licenses.

ETA: the question of where liability lies for infringing terms of a source license occur should a LLM model launder for example GPL code into a propriety code base is something that will have to be decided by the courts.

MIT still requires the license and copyright notice to be maintained though, it is why even proprietary software includes an 'open-source licenses' listing somewhere under help / alongside the distribution. Arguably, AI models reproducing a bit of MIT licensed code would be just as much in violation as with any other license.

GPL still gives much better guarantees w.r.t. providing the source code and modifications made thereto, though.

Courts keep ruling that theft-by-AI is “fair use” so no license will protect you from legalized theft.

Doesn't matter. The companies will do it anyways and make you sue to stop them, at whic point they'll exhaust your resources long before any potential victory in court.

I find it very interesting the sudden abhorence of the masses to ignoring copyright, what happened to all the pirates? The shift to "copyright is good actually" by antiAI folks is bewildering.

Y'all really think the system is set up to protect the little folks in the first place?

I thought the whole point of open source is sharing 🤷

Edit: Makes me think of "socialists" who would deny the basic rights they're saying they're fighting for from "rich" people.

Not sure if you are specifically talking to me, but yeah I do find it strange.

All the recent lawsuits between tech companies and publishers and people somehow became defenders of publshers when those fuckers are the same people that are exploiting creative people in the first place. Creative people are not the beneficiaries of all these settlements that are happening.

I think it's all the anger of self-published creators with following who convincing people that they are being destroyed and those people are blindly directing that anger at tech companies not fully understanding the situation.

Completely agree, and my comment wasn't really directed at you, but I figured you saw the... Oddness of the request with how you worded your response.