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breakfastmtn
lemmy.ca
breakfastmtn@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-10-04 |
About half of the country’s federal budget goes toward the fight in Ukraine, money that does little to support its long-term development. For four years, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has made the war against Ukraine the lodestar of his every move. The single-minded approach has helped Mr. Putin salvage what began as a disastrous invasion, get his troops back on the front foot and dictate demands in peace talks mediated by Washington. But his stubborn pursuit of the war has come at a huge cost. It has killed or wounded as many as 1.2 million Russians, by some estimates, while reordering Russia’s economy and society in ways that many economists believe jeopardize the nation’s future. “You have lots of money spent on tanks, shells, bombs, military benefits and other things — no long-lasting value, nothing that works on what we call development,” said Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian central bank official who is now a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center in Berlin. |
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sun_is_ra
sh.itjust.works
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-15 |
If Russia were to win the war - big if - then the cost is well worth it. If Russia doesn't win, its the end of Putin. I think Putin understands that so hecan't really back down. |
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Buffalox
lemmy.world
Buffalox@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
This is key IMO! If you look past the official numbers, to see what happens in reality, it is very obvious that the Russian economy is shrinking dramatically. The war may be as much as 35% of the total Russian economy. Military was probably less than 10% before the war.
Spot on. |
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StinkyFingerItchyBum
lemmy.ca
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-02-26 |
You have lots of money spent on tanks, shells, bombs, military benefits and other things — no long-lasting value, nothing that works on what we call development This is key IMO! If you look past the official numbers, to see what happens in reality, it is very obvious that the Russian economy is shrinking dramatically. The war may be as much as 35% of the total Russian economy. Military was prob...
It also cost them their best customer, Europe. Russia is a gangster run petrostate, and fossil fuels are on their way out permanently. The time it had to maximize the temporary rewards of fossil fuel development and invest it in a future Russia was squandered. Europe, with little exception will permanently divest from fossil fuels and this war has only sped up that process. They aren't coming back as a customer in any meaningful sense even after this war. European countries that learned to live temporarily without Russian fossil fuels will prefer to keep it that way. |
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EmpireInDecay
lemmy.ml
EmpireInDecay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-07-16 |
Is this another one of those 'Russia days away from collapse' stories? |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Is this another one of those 'Russia days away from collapse' stories?
Well, Russia is close to collapse, yes. Not days, for sure, but close enough. Ignore the lost money for a second, Russia lost 1.2 million abled men, plus god only knows howany wounded on top of that ((typically at least the same number, or more. So let's call that 2.5 million men that will no longer be contributing to the economy, and about a million that will now much leech your economy (blinded, lost limbs, etc) with medical needs. Russia has, say, 150M people. Say, 60% is working age, so 90M people of working age. Russia lost some 2-3% of that. That is not a small "oopsie we'll fix it in post later", this is an "oopsie we're fucked" level And that is just the dead and wounded. Russia blew through its savings, it barely has a military left to protect itself from other big players like China. Literally it's only defence, currently, are it's nukes and with all the corruption there, it's highly doubtful that those are still functional in amounts high enough to be a credible defense. So no savings, a huge cut in its workforce, it made itself the pariah of the world... Yeah, Russia is fine tomorrow. But next year? 5 years from now? Russia is fuuuuuucked |
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Ilovethebomb
sh.itjust.works
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-08 |
Well, Russia is close to collapse, yes. Not days, for sure, but close enough. Ignore the lost money for a second, Russia lost 1.2 million abled men, plus god only knows howany wounded on top of that ((typically at least the same number, or more. So let's call that 2.5 million men that will no longer be contributing to the economy, and about a million that will now much leech your economy (blind...
That 1.2m figure is casualties, not deaths. |
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Wildmimic
anarchist.nexus
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-05 |
If Russia were to win the war - big if - then the cost is well worth it. If Russia doesn't win, its the end of Putin. I think Putin understands that so hecan't really back down.
I don't think it's worth it anymore. If they had succeeded with occupying Ukraine in a swift strike, it would have been worth it. Now, even if they accomplish their goals (losing 1000+ men for 50 meters per day - that means 350000 casualties for 17 kilometers per year - lets me suspect that they will run out of soldiers before that happens), they are looking at a territory with a long lasting resistance movement that can blend into your native population culturally and the continued isolation of Russia. That means the only way forward for them would be the next war. |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
That 1.2m figure is casualties, not deaths.
Oh thank God, that is so much better and makes all the difference But yeah, it makes little difference |
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porcoesphino
mander.xyz
porcoesphino@mander.xyzJoined: 2025-09-12 |
That 1.2m figure is casualties, not deaths.
For anyone else not knowing exactly what the point being made is: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/casualty
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chaogomu
lemmy.world
chaogomu@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-04 |
I don't think it's worth it anymore. If they had succeeded with occupying Ukraine in a swift strike, it would have been worth it. Now, even if they accomplish their goals (losing 1000+ men for 50 meters per day - that means 350000 casualties for 17 kilometers per year - lets me suspect that they will run out of soldiers before that happens), they are looking at a territory with a long lasting r...
The thing is, Russia never runs out of soldiers to send into the meat grinder. It's been the Russian military tactic for hundreds of years. Throw bodies at the enemy until they somehow win. Even if it takes years or decades of fighting. It's not a smart tactic, and has seriously fucked up their population demographics to this day, but it is the Russian tactic. The thing is, it usually works. I can't keep working, but the fear is that it might work this time as well. Russia is fucked either way, we should rename the Pyrrhic victory. |
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kunstbanause
lemmy.ca
kunstbanause@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-29 |
For anyone else not knowing exactly what the point being made is: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/casualty (military) A person in military service who becomes unavailable for duty, for any reason (notably death, injury, illness, capture, or desertion).
Thank you for that. TIL |
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zebidiah
lemmy.ca
zebidiah@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-04-01 |
All of Russian history can be summed up in just five words: "And then, things got worse..." |
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NotMyOldRedditName
lemmy.world
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-24 |
Well, Russia is close to collapse, yes. Not days, for sure, but close enough. Ignore the lost money for a second, Russia lost 1.2 million abled men, plus god only knows howany wounded on top of that ((typically at least the same number, or more. So let's call that 2.5 million men that will no longer be contributing to the economy, and about a million that will now much leech your economy (blind...
Russia has enough nukes that 99% could fail and it'd still wreck your country. It is still a legitimate deterrent and always will be. |
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Archer
lemmy.world
Archer@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I don't think it's worth it anymore. If they had succeeded with occupying Ukraine in a swift strike, it would have been worth it. Now, even if they accomplish their goals (losing 1000+ men for 50 meters per day - that means 350000 casualties for 17 kilometers per year - lets me suspect that they will run out of soldiers before that happens), they are looking at a territory with a long lasting r...
They’ve also figured out the resistance thing - just relocate Ukrainians at gunpoint across all of Russia and they’ll no longer be a problem. Or even more simply just murder them all. They had to pretend that wasn’t an option at the beginning of the war, not so much now |
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