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Singing is just talking with more tone variations.
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Quilotoa lemmy.ca Quilotoa@lemmy.ca
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cattywampas lemmy.world cattywampas@lemmy.world
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Well...yeah

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freagle lemmy.ml frisbird@lemmy.ml
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Incomplete. There are also rythmic and non-grammatical timing variations.

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Bluegrass_Addict lemmy.ca Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca
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Incomplete. There are also rythmic and non-grammatical timing variations.

https://youtu.be/yI_lrwQiuCM

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Pommes_für_dein_Balg feddit.org mech@feddit.org
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It's actually not.
People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently.
And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words.

When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time.
When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory.
It's a completely different neural pathway.

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supersquirrel sopuli.xyz supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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I found William Shatner's lemmy account.

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WastedJobe feddit.org Jobe@feddit.org
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It's actually not. People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently. And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words. When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time. When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory. It's a completely different neural pathway.

It goes further than that. Different singing techniques use more or entirely different muscle groups than talking. Some more extreme metal vocal techniques bypass the vocal cords almost entirely. Y'all should watch the Charismatic Voice videos where they stuck cameras and stuff down Will Ramos' throat.

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AbouBenAdhem lemmy.world AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
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Everything else we do is just breathing with more motor activity.

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7uWqKj lemmy.world 7uWqKj@lemmy.world
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Take singing lessons and you’ll very soon understand that it’s absolutely not.

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😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈 lemmy.world MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world
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No

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village604 adultswim.fan village604@adultswim.fan
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It goes further than that. Different singing techniques use more or entirely different muscle groups than talking. Some more extreme metal vocal techniques bypass the vocal cords almost entirely. Y'all should watch the Charismatic Voice videos where they stuck cameras and stuff down Will Ramos' throat.

I don't think metal is bypassing the vocal chords so much as it's using what are essentially vestigial vocal chords.

I'm able to do throat singing, and it definitely feels different from normal talking or singing. I can occasionally sing polyphonically doing it, but it requires a perfect storm of allergies cooperating and warming up to the point that my throat muscles start gassing out.

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village604 adultswim.fan village604@adultswim.fan
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It's actually not. People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently. And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words. When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time. When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory. It's a completely different neural pathway.

Iirc completely different regions of the brain are activated too. There was a case of a woman years back who had some sort of brain damage and lost the ability to speak, but could still sing.

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Mantzy81 aussie.zone Mantzy81@aussie.zone
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It's actually not. People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently. And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words. When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time. When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory. It's a completely different neural pathway.

This also explains why you can sing songs without actually hearing or understanding the lyrics e.g. all the right-leaning folks who were shocked RATM were singing political songs, or anyone who sings anything in a language they don't know (which, as a former choir singer, was common)

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ParlimentOfDoom piefed.zip ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
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I found William Shatner's lemmy account.

He just wants to live like common people.

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MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown fedia.io MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io
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Everything else we do is just breathing with more motor activity.

Except free diving

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CombatWombat feddit.online CombatWombat@feddit.online
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#16 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's actually not. People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently. And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words. When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time. When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory. It's a completely different neural pathway.

If you’re comparing freestyling (assuming it’s fully improvised) is this still the case? What about reciting a memorized poem? (I agree with you, I’m just curious if you know where the boundaries are because I sure don’t)

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FreshParsnip lemmy.ca FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
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It's actually not. People with a bad stutter can often sing fluently. And with enough training, you can sing like a native speaker without understanding any of the words. When you talk, you translate thoughts and meaning into words in real time. When you sing, you reproduce words you've memorized and trained into muscle memory. It's a completely different neural pathway.

I once danced with a friend while we both sang along with "love the way you lie". I was surprised to discover, a few minutes later in conversation, they had no idea what the lyrics were about

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YeahIgotskills2 lemmy.world YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world
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Of course, there are also tonal languages. I find it quite interesting that in some parts of the world the same written sentence can have an entirely different meaning depending on the inflection of the words.

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gandalf_der_12te discuss.tchncs.de gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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No i think there's also rhythm to it.

Fun fact: Many people who stutter can sing just fine.

I attribute it to the fact that music enforces a certain rhythm and that makes you move on with your speech more fluently than you would otherwise do.

I think i should know that because i also used to stutter a bit earlier in my life. I never got the hang of talking. I started adding a bit of rhythm to my speech, so when i talk it always has a certain rhythm in its background. If you actually listen, you could notice. It's subtle, though. It helps me stutter far far less. :-)

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gandalf_der_12te discuss.tchncs.de gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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Everything else we do is just breathing with more motor activity.

Nope. there's three domains that are typically distinguished: the biochemical, mechanical, and neural level.

You wouldn't call a thinking process a "motor activity" since the ideal neural net has practically no moving parts, similar to an ideal computing machine.

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