A couch fucker and some fraudulent shill who was made famous by Oprah. These are the people making this decision which will literally kill people.

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

Causing harm to civilians in order to coerce the submission of a government is the very definition of terrorism

I’m sure they think that’s fine. It’s just poor people. They absolutely loathe the poor.

The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.

Who's blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.

If words still had meaning

Thankfully we know how to solve the issue: give into the voters demands and stop supporting Israel/ a genocide.

Technically it's worse:

State terrorism is terrorism conducted by a state against its own citizens or another state's citizens.[1][2][3][4] It contrasts with state-sponsored terrorism, in which a violent non-state actor commits acts of terrorism under the sponsorship of a state.

Governments that are accused of using state terrorism may justify their actions as efforts to combat internal dissent, suppress insurgencies, or maintain national security, often framing their actions within the context of counterterrorism or counterinsurgency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism

I know people hate being pedantic, but we can't afford to be lazy. Because that makes it harder to sort thru historical records to see how our ancestors overcame it.

MAGA uses old playbooks so much, we'd be idiots not to treat it like an open book test and see why it failed last time.

You did it, you saved Gaza! (The war was going to time out regardless, it wasn't Trump that ended it.)

No one believes you any more. And history will remember you for what you are.

In the end, I guess you got what you wanted. The genocide supporting candidate won.

This is what Kamala Harris preferred to saying "genocide is bad".

That doesn't even make any sense.

You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.

You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.

They might think this kind of thing makes them look strong. But they are incorrect.

Anyone with more than a couple of braincells in their skull knows this the sign of an administration that got humiliated and is furiously trying to retaliate out of pure spite.

or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever

Oh, like me!

They won't if you make them pick their own cotton.

Still no sense. Ciao.

Exactly, without question. Bitterness against non voters really is as simple as barking up the wrong tree.

Well, I could be convinced to vote Democrat in the general if the Democrat candidate is themselves a reflexive contrarian. Or a gasp socialist!

But with the current slurry the DNC is producing, I suppose you're right that I'm nigh impossible to win over, yes.

And those of you who speak this way about individuals who protested their votes seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture; that the reality is that people want to vote for a principled leader who believes in something, and the Democratic leadership failed us in 2024, just like they failed us in 2016. And even after winning in 2020, they still a managed to fail us by failing to uphold international law and failing to jail an insurrectionist pig that's now in the white house.

They failed us because they believe in nothing, and that's why people protested their vote. Wake the fuck up and focus on primaries in 2026, then the general, and so on, and prevent this from happening again.

These people are seriously fucked in the head.

And their feigned concern for "fraud" is so ridiculous. They don't give a shit about what Pedonald did to make 1.4+ billion, they don't give a shit about Noem's bang plane, they do nothing about Patel flying all over the fucking place for his (and his girlfriend's) personal pleasure.

Most of them are a lost cause. I don't think anyone is saying they are blameless.

On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.

Nailed it.

Thereby guaranteeing that no Republican will hold statewide or federal office in Minnesota for the foreseeable future.

I don't expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?

You are arguing there was a candidate that wasent progenocide. Could you provide for the class who this person was?

Bu...but...Palestine!

No I'm not. I'm making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don't agree with that.

I'm probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.

You can go through this comment thread and find my main points: https://lemmy.world/post/43468718?sort=Top

Here's me making that argument 2 years ago: https://lemmy.world/post/18568674?scrollToComments=true

I mean look at this banger:

I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That's not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.

Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.

A couch fucker and some fraudulent shill who was made famous by a lying talk show host.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260226060028/https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/oprah-lied-about-childhood-poverty-abuse/articleshow/5805473.cms

The circle of fraud

https://lr.ptr.moe/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/xr5q1d/oprah_is_the_perfect_mentor_for_the_former/

I think a bunch of those voters have shown "dont care who just vote blue" has run its course, they will no longer prop up the centrists candidates and they want a proper left. And yes they think this sucks,but they sort of saw the party going to be this in 30 years (as we know Regan would have loved to have the democrats you currently have) So let the orange man win and maybe switch there base into more conscious voters or be the ones who vote blue no matter who. But giving those that have a place at the table that have been running right hasnt worked, and when the other team is up to bat, its still shit on the common people and corpo money wins. Until the law makers start doing something about that then they will find new people/parties/ (worst of all) not voting (because by checking out you are giving them [could be either party here] what they want, they can show numbers back them [not really with the GOP, because if america truly was one person one vote as they say, they would do away with the electoral collage and they could really have the people vote.).

I voted Kamala but seriously, fuck off with this sourbitch garbage. Protest voters aren't why you lost, you lost because your candidate sucked shit.

Jill Stein?

Honestly I don't actually know for sure, just guessing.

Not even american, Just you guys have made your politics the worlds problem, so I feel like I am sort of justified in speaking on these issues.

They’ll just blame the protesters/liberals. “Look what you made him do!”

Time to break free and form two countries

Evil

I think they’re planning to cheat or ignore the election. It’s the only way that doing all this abhorrent and wildly unpopular shit could make any political sense.

It’ll be a huge relief if it turns out that they really are this stupid, but it’s impossible not to worry that they aren’t.

Not in the US. How are people from Minnesota fighting back against this??

Why would the VP be telling us that?

Everyone wants to vote for a principled leader, but there are those of us who aren’t willing to give up the tiny bit of power we have just to try and prove a point.

This is a 2 party system, regardless of lip service. Kamala wasn’t my first choice for president but she was the only one. It was her or the other fucker full stop. So, I did everything I could to elect the one who we had some hope of controlling. The dems showed they ultimately listen to their voters with enough pressure when they ditched Biden, the other guy we all knew what was going to happen.

So, to all those protest voters, I’m super happy for you and your maga companions, feeling so proud of yourselves while the country burns.

No

Imagine being proud of this. Pathetic.

Jesus, it's murder. They're murdering them.

There's been massive protests. ICE responded by murdering peaceful protestors

This little tidbit was buried:

“We’re announcing a six-month national moratorium blocking all new enrollments for durable medical equipment– prosthesis, orthotics– supplies across the board,” he said, later adding that the move was “going to be effective, and it’s not going to touch the people who need these services.”

So good luck if Grandma needs oxygen, tell her to breathe deeper.

Also how do they block these services, and then say "it's not going to touch the people who need these services?" Unless, y'know, they need these services.

I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.

They will be deploying multiple strategies, including Pre-election voter roll purges, gerrymandering, new Federal ID laws, closing voting places in Democratic districts, etc.

Then they will deploy strategies on Election Day itself, like posting ICE at polling places for security, and then have them do preliminary ID checks of people in the line,.followed by beatings of anyone who talks back, especially first thing in the morning. Widely broadcast video on Election Day morning of active polling places ICE beatings across the country should sufficiently intimidate people from exercising their right to vote for the rest of the day (although there is a good chance that a LOT of people would react just the opposite, and flood the polling places in defiance).

And they even have a POST-Election Day strategy. The biggest thing that has made MAGAs claim election fraud, are the write in ballots that arrive AFTER election day. They don't like a MAGA win on election day, only to have that win evaporate as the write-in ballots arrive and get counted. So they want to stop the count on Election Day.

So they'll take a couple of days for the initial count to settle, and if they spot potential trouble from write-ins, they'll raid the states election HQ, and confiscate all the ballots, machines, data, etc. then declare the winner themselves.

They have Pre-, During, And Post- Election Day strategies, and probably a lot more than I outlined. You have to watch these scumbag MAGAs, they've cheated at everything in their entire lives, that's where most of their expertise lies.