I’m more worried about invaliding results or simply ignoring them.

Or a coup by the Republican Congress refusing to cede power.

Wouldn't be all of it but the state could instruct any businesses in the state to not submit any federal tax it collects

Let’s see. He’s still president despite blatantly defying court orders, mocking and firing anyone who doesn’t blindly support him, he destroyed a section of the WH, his private gestapo are murdering people in the streets, he’s all over the Epstein files, he’s earning money hand over foot in bribes, and operating concentration camps. And yet he remains in power Americans can’t muster a feasible resistance to the above. That’s hardly concern trolling.

The Republicans have all 3 branches of government. You're acting like because no one has a magic wand to waive this all away, that this means they have failed. Public opinion has swung heavily against Trump. 90% of ICE action seems to have ended in Minnesota. The resistance is winning in every way that it can. But defeatists will always point out what hasn't been accomplished, instead of what has. Factions of the left are more organized than at any point since Civil Rights. Millions of people across the country are mobilized and active in their communities. Every single day Trump is in office his opposition grows. This isn't nothing, stop acting like it is.

Well Minnesota is a donor state in taxes, sounds like Minnesota could you know…not pay federal taxes this year

Every two posts. Can we just vote tomorrow? Let's all promise to never vote Republican ever.

Why not

The country has never been more divided

Most people don't pay their taxes directly; they are withheld from their paycheck by their employer. State and local governments are employers; they withhold taxes from their employees. They can report that they have withheld those taxes from the taxpayers, but transfer those taxes to the state treasury instead of the IRS.

The state could create a jobs placement program that operates like a temp agency. Workers participating in the program are employees of the state, not the business they are contracted to.

The federal government will hold the taxpayer responsible for not paying their federal taxes. The employers withholding federal taxes from paychecks and not forwarding that on to the IRS would be committing a federal crime, but the IRS would still demand their tax payment from each taxpayer, just like how it happens if the employer didn't withhold enough--the taxpayer has to send in a check.

That's just how the system and law works. Federal law supersedes State law. You pay federal taxes to the federal government under federal tax laws, and the State has no power to say you don't owe them.

See my answer to glitch1985. I meant to put it here but accidentally clicked reply on their post instead.

You're not quite right, but I'll reply there instead of here.

The taxpayer is paying their federal taxes. The money is being withheld on their behalf. They are receiving a W2 stating their earnings and withholding. Their employer is properly filing, but they are not sending the money they claim to owe.

If your employer does all this, the IRS can't blame you for not paying your taxes. You have proof that you did. The IRS can't sue all of the company's employees for the company's failure to pay. They have to go after the company, not you.

They could even do it legally. If the state won a case saying the federal government illegally withheld Medicaid funds from the state and its citizens, the state could get an order to seize federal assets, including employee withholding from state workers.

Deep fry 'em.

That is definitely a concern for me too. MAGA Republicans have learned they can just ignore any laws or court orders that are inconvenient for them. I don't know how effective it will be, but I expect them to try as a last ditch effort

Do you think there are people out there who really think that Dr. Oz is a genuine expert in medicine and health & medical policy? Or would they be happy with any bootlicker who has a doctorate running the CMS?

Guess the GOP can forget about ever getting major votes in Minnesota again.

You reckon? They’ll still have at least 30-40%

That doesn't mean segregating all the violent fascists from the rest of humanity is a good idea, in fact it's probably the opposite of what is needed & screws over their empathetic neighbors who are stuck by circumstance. Socialization with people from a diversity of backgrounds and views and education to show how it directly affects people like them is better at de-culting people.

‘Just, please, someone from the outside come and do it so we don’t lose our jobs’

Thanks, it's good to know that it wouldn't fall on the employee. I looked it up[1] and you're right -- if your employer withheld the money and you can prove it (either via the W2, or by producing your paycheck stubs showing the amounts withheld if there's no W2), then the Feds will go after the employer, not the employee.

I also learned that if your employer didn't pay the feds and/or give you or the Feds a W2, then it falls on you to prove they withheld money by showing the IRS your paycheck stubs (or by managing to get that info from the employer), otherwise you will still have to pay the taxes. So the lesson there is to save your paycheck stubs (or electronic copies thereof), especially the last one of the year showing the totals, just in case!

So, back on the topic of States trying to keep that money from going to the Feds, my previous argument would still apply, except that the employers would be held liable by the Feds instead of the individual employees, under current laws (AFAIK!). So if the State passed a law saying the companies have to give that money to them instead of the IRS, the companies would be in a catch-22 situation of Fed law saying Feds get it and State law saying the State gets it. So again, Fed law would supersede the State law and companies would have to give the money to the Feds.

Do you know a way the States could get around that issue? It would be great if they could but I don't see how.

[1] https://www.taxaudit.com/tax-audit-blog/2025/what-happens-if-my-employer-doesn-t-pay-my-payroll-taxes

They can't get around it for private employers, but state and local governments are employers and perform withholding.

The state could also enact a job placement program, and function as a temp agency: the worker is the employee of the temp agency, not the client company they are contracted to.

Those are good ideas, though the court costs of fighting Fed lawsuits might outweigh the amount garnered. And/or the Feds would retaliate by withholding other fed money owed to the state (like it's already doing in some cases! Like the medicaid money for Minnesota, etc).

That sounds like taxation without representation to me I guess Minnesota is EXEMPT

I guess they have voted Dem for president since the 70’s

Imagine having an issue with 3rd party voters and yet, election cycle after election cycle, refusing to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state. You dont get to complain about a problem you refuse to fix.

What if we banned the republican and democratic parties, along with all those involved, and redid our elections. Wouldn't that be a better outcome for the nation? I bet we could get a real bipartisan movement going.

Yeah that, Start from scratch would be good and make it illegal for companies to sway politicians with their money, goods and flavors

Yeah dude that's what I did.

Look more closely. There’s another planned in April.

How did the first one go?

In the recycling example its a sham because the net effect of all individual parties recycling is bubkis whereas with voting the net effect of another 1% getting to the polls turns the entire thing around.

We are absolutely at fault for not understanding the meaning of our choices..

Voting third parties don't put any butts in seats and therefore do nothing. For example green has literally NEVER put someone in a federal office iin their 40 year existence.

You can not "vote harder" a candidate into office. If you have fallen back to that as a strategy, you've already lost.

If likeliness of victory mattered, absolutely no one would vote Democrat in Oklahoma.

You can vote so you can vote for local people. You can even sometimes vote between 2 Republicans to try to get the less shitty one and also vote to send a message

Well the civil war pretty clearly established this and if we try we would absolutely have to fight and win a multi year war during which in addition to millions or tens of millions of deaths there would be ample pretext to not count our votes. We would seem folks herded into death camps which nukes would insure nobody would liberate.

Our military would be firmly on the side of compliance with the law which they voted for 2 to 1 and we would lose.

Which I do if there is no third party candidate available.