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Firefox’s AI Kill Switch is a Trap: How Mozilla Made AI Your Problem
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yoasif fedia.io yoasif@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-12
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TL;DR: Mozilla recently released AI controls for Firefox: a single control panel that lets people disable AI features in the browser or pick and choose which to leave on. On the surface, this sounds like a win for user choice in an era of AI-everything.
If we dig deeper, you can start to see that the kill switch isn’t the whole story. This feature acts like an accountability sink. By giving you an off-switch, Mozilla’s leadership shifts the ethical burden of AI onto the user - turning their design choices into your responsibility.

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Matt The Horwood lemmy.horwood.cloud mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud
Joined: 2023-07-27
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Vivaldi for the win?

No AI crap at all

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yoasif fedia.io yoasif@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-12
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Vivaldi for the win? No AI crap at all

Closed source Chromium sounds like fun.

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Matt The Horwood lemmy.horwood.cloud mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud
Joined: 2023-07-27
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Closed source Chromium sounds like fun.

Where did you get that?

A quick search lands me on this page https://vivaldi.com/source/

Edit: also this https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

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yoasif fedia.io yoasif@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-12
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Where did you get that? A quick search lands me on this page https://vivaldi.com/source/ Edit: also this https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

Yes, exactly.

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kittenroar beehaw.org kittenroar@beehaw.org
Joined: 2023-06-05
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I disagree. Being able to choose which llm features I want is a win, and being able to use a local llm to translate language is better than sending data to Google to do that.

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N.E.P.T.R lemmy.blahaj.zone Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-11-20
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Where did you get that? A quick search lands me on this page https://vivaldi.com/source/ Edit: also this https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

The UI is proprietary.

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LukeZaz beehaw.org LukeZaz@beehaw.org
Joined: 2024-07-03
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I disagree. Being able to choose which llm features I want is a win, and being able to use a local llm to translate language is better than sending data to Google to do that.

You are aware translation services are available that are neither a local LLM nor Google-owned, yes? We had machine translation before ChatGPT existed, and I don't think that tech evaporated in a sudden fire just because a more harmful option appeared.

The appropriate option for Mozilla would've been to not include AI at all. If they really, really couldn't have swung that (they could've), then the second best option would be having all AI features set to off-by-default. Instead, we've got on-by-default. That is unambiguously a terrible idea.

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LukeZaz beehaw.org LukeZaz@beehaw.org
Joined: 2024-07-03
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Vivaldi for the win? No AI crap at all

No AI is a nice feature; Chromium is not. For those who feel like I do, LibreWolf is a version of Firefox that appears to strip most if not all AI, and being a Firefox fork means that it's also not Chromium. It also uses more privacy-conscious settings by default.

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TehPers beehaw.org TehPers@beehaw.org
Joined: 2023-06-21
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You are aware translation services are available that are neither a local LLM nor Google-owned, yes? We had machine translation before ChatGPT existed, and I don't think that tech evaporated in a sudden fire just because a more harmful option appeared. The appropriate option for Mozilla would've been to not include AI at all. If they really, really couldn't have swung that (they could've), then...

Pre-LLM translation services also generally used AI, just via more traditional machine learning. The only difference is introducing a locally run LLM.

If it runs locally and is openly available, then it doesn't make much difference to me if it's a traditional model or a LLM.

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LukeZaz beehaw.org LukeZaz@beehaw.org
Joined: 2024-07-03
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Pre-LLM translation services also generally used AI, just via more traditional machine learning. The only difference is introducing a locally run LLM. If it runs locally and is openly available, then it doesn't make much difference to me if it's a traditional model or a LLM.

Considering the negative impacts LLMs have on so many facets of life today, that's kinda the problem. Running it locally only solves some of those.

Fundamentally though, I just don't want the tech involved in my life at all anymore. I don't care if it has a niche use here or not. It can just fuck off.

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