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floofloof lemmy.ca floofloof@lemmy.ca
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Pip feddit.org Pip@feddit.org
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Maybe those far-right southern Europeans should leave the currency area and live their technology museum dreams without dragging other with them

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NorskSud lemmy.pt NorskSud@lemmy.pt
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Maybe those far-right southern Europeans should leave the currency area and live their technology museum dreams without dragging other with them

The rapporteur is Spanish but I'm quite sure most of the far right votes come from elsewhere.. hell, these days they come from all over the continent anyway. The trick is, once again, vote for EP elections and vote for pro-EU parties only. Far-right or -left is made of Russian puppets dancing to Chinese marches...

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
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The rapporteur is Spanish but I'm quite sure most of the far right votes come from elsewhere.. hell, these days they come from all over the continent anyway. The trick is, once again, vote for EP elections and vote for pro-EU parties only. Far-right or -left is made of Russian puppets dancing to Chinese marches...

Far-right or -left is made of Russian puppets dancing to Chinese marches…

And it's Russia and China who are protecting Visa's and Mastercard's monopoly?

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NorskSud lemmy.pt NorskSud@lemmy.pt
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Far-right or -left is made of Russian puppets dancing to Chinese marches… And it's Russia and China who are protecting Visa's and Mastercard's monopoly?

They don't want European competition and especially no European power in whatever shape.

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
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They don't want European competition and especially no European power in whatever shape.

China and Russia? A Europe that is fully controlled by the US is much more dangerous for them.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
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Fuck these far right parties and their voters. Fuck the centrist parties for not being progressive enough to not give people a reason to slip to the right. And fuck the left wing parties for fighting each other. But most of all, fuck the US for lobbying all these politician fucks to vote against European interests.

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reabsorbthelight lemmy.world reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world
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Fuck these far right parties and their voters. Fuck the centrist parties for not being progressive enough to not give people a reason to slip to the right. And fuck the left wing parties for fighting each other. But most of all, fuck the US for lobbying all these politician fucks to vote against European interests.

Why would people slip to the right because the centrists aren't progressive enough?

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CyberEgg discuss.tchncs.de CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
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Why would people slip to the right because the centrists aren't progressive enough?

Centrist parties are not progressive enough idealistically, they are mostly opportunistic. Instead of making politics to bring society forward and make people's lives better, tgey mostly care about being and staying in power. Somehow, many centrist parties concluded that early successes of the rising far right parties beyond the usual few percent meant that voters bought far right programs and did not (also) want to make a statement against who's in power, so centrist parties started to adopt far right policies, believing that would get voters back to voting them. Instead, they normalized far right positions, helping push the overton window further to the right, continuing to worsen the situation for most people instead of improving and making extremist parties not looking that extreme anymore but a valid choice in elections, resulting in further gains for far right parties.

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CyberEgg discuss.tchncs.de CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
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China and Russia? A Europe that is fully controlled by the US is much more dangerous for them.

No. The most dangerous Europe for China, Russia or the US is an independent and unified Europe. A Europe controlled by the US is weak and divided, much easier to distract and kept in check.

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
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No. The most dangerous Europe for China, Russia or the US is an independent and unified Europe. A Europe controlled by the US is weak and divided, much easier to distract and kept in check.

An independent Europe would fit into the multipolar world. A dependend Europe will be used by the US to decouple China and Russia from the rest of the world.

For Russia snd China, an independend Europe would be best.

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NorskSud lemmy.pt NorskSud@lemmy.pt
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An independent Europe would fit into the multipolar world. A dependend Europe will be used by the US to decouple China and Russia from the rest of the world. For Russia snd China, an independend Europe would be best.

A subjugated, without own defensive capacity, better for them? Then they can dismiss our democracies and freedom with the simple accusation of being a "US colony". A strong, independent and autonomous democratic Europe with a strong social system is the biggest threat to any dictatorship or empire.

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
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A subjugated, without own defensive capacity, better for them? Then they can dismiss our democracies and freedom with the simple accusation of being a "US colony". A strong, independent and autonomous democratic Europe with a strong social system is the biggest threat to any dictatorship or empire.

Democracy is a political argument while decoupling is an economic argument.

If the US manages to economically isolate Russia and China, or even China alone, the US will maintain hegemony and ultimately crush China.

I don't see that existential threat from Europe's democracy. If Europe becomes that independent that it becomes a role model, then Russia and China can follow suit. They both can't become full democracies now because the US would influence the elections to its advantage.

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atro_city fedia.io atro_city@fedia.io
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Why would people slip to the right because the centrists aren't progressive enough?

Because many centrist parties in Europe are actually more centre right and neo-liberal and actively hold back progress. They invest little to nothing in public infrastructure, privatise public services, lower taxes on the rich, and weaken worker's rights. They do it more slowly than right-wing parties and extreme right wing parties, but they do it nonetheless. Once in a while they decide to try and balance the scales but not enough.

This has lead to deteriorating public infrastructure, rising cost of living, dependence on private companies (especially foreign ones), more corruption, a frequent attack of workers and green parties, more brash public discourse, and loss of trust with major disdain of politics. Their approach to resolve it has been to adopt right-wing discourse to try and win back their voters who have drifted off to the right due to populism.

As I said, left wing, progressive, and green parties have responded very meekly towards other parties, but respond harshly to parties that share similar ideologies, which leave the right wing field wide open. It is a wide failing of all parties left of right, more progressive than conservative, and non-populist ones.

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Jay101 lemmy.world Jay101@lemmy.world
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Such a depressing site to see EU struggle with something what India did more than 10 years ago by building what would count as most advanced and inclusive payments system on the planet and basically ditching both Visa and MasterCard.

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Jay101 lemmy.world Jay101@lemmy.world
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Because many centrist parties in Europe are actually more centre right and neo-liberal and actively hold back progress. They invest little to nothing in public infrastructure, privatise public services, lower taxes on the rich, and weaken worker's rights. They do it more slowly than right-wing parties and extreme right wing parties, but they do it nonetheless. Once in a while they decide to try...

Nailed it. Mainstream centrist and even the centre left are responsible for rise of far right. Look at CDU and SPD in Germany. Both incompetent and corrupt.

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Tar_Alcaran sh.itjust.works Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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Im so happy we (Belgium, France, Germany and the Netherlands) decided to implement Wero alongside this forever-postponed digtal euro plan.

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NorskSud lemmy.pt NorskSud@lemmy.pt
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Democracy is a political argument while decoupling is an economic argument. If the US manages to economically isolate Russia and China, or even China alone, the US will maintain hegemony and ultimately crush China. I don't see that existential threat from Europe's democracy. If Europe becomes that independent that it becomes a role model, then Russia and China can follow suit. They both can't b...

Do you think democracy is not an existential threat to the current regimes of Russia and China!?

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
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Do you think democracy is not an existential threat to the current regimes of Russia and China!?

It is in the way it is used now: Open markets to gain access to the media. Use positions in companies to pay politicians. Use that to control the elite or replace it.

Lemmy and Reddit show how few people care about free media on their own. The US republicans show how much distortion is possible. The West has the best entertainment. The prospect of each country that allows western elites would be to be treated worse than black people in Mississippi or Alabama.

Without that threat I don't think that China and Russia could maintain their cohesion for their dictatorships. They would also transition to democracy. Democracy is best because it allows for a violence free transition of power. It just doesn't work if outsiders tip the scale.

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