The stupidity of saying that it’s the left backstabbing the liberals is just infuriating. These people are hopeless.

At this point, every attempt at this ludicrously dishonest spin can and should be met with the same one-word response - "Mamdani."

Damned if we vote, damned if we don't. We're not allowed to criticize or call out behavior or opinions that harm us. I guess the upside is I get to enjoy a little "eww"phoria for being treated like a woman when it comes to having my concerns taken seriously. Fuck I hate living here.

Any other candidate if people actually thought for themselves

Harris would have been better than Trump. What are you trying to argue?

That's their point.

Gloat that such a choice was unavailable.

And just like that, centrists have always hated both MST3k and Rifftrax.

Keep gloating that your only policy was going to be enacted and that none of the rest of us had any meaningful choice.

If harris had done the right thing, you would have voted for trump.

How about you went to the streets before you got a duopoly of genocide apologists to become your only option? Oh no, but but but, my team was bEtTeR.

But nooooo, you were fine with genocide as long as it didn't affect you, and the multiple wars abroad before that. And now, you guys have to pretend to protest the dismantling of your own nation. Seems very much like karma, doesn't it?

So, well done. The system led to Trump, not the opinions on genocide in Palestine. US has a history of being fine with worse. If you can't see that and find blame someone else to blame, you're too far in your own ass to see it.

Dude with this mindset no one could ever live a normal life. At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind. So since you're not in the streets about slavery going on in the world you're fine with it? You're not in the streets about sex trafficking are you, I guess you just don't care about sex trafficking and it's victims because it doesn't impact you. This is how you sound.

But of course, you lecture the masses oh wise one. Tell us the error of our ways, how did we stray from the path only you can see?

Jesus, you people make up things in your head and get mad at them just like MAGA

You can go ahead and get rid of the besides Harris part of your sentence there since she didn't.

You people act reprehensibly toward vulnerable minorities and then gaslight anyone who notices.

Just. Like. maga.

If your country is doing sex trafficking and slavery (the latter at least is true) then yes, that is something you should take to the streets for. Something happening and something being done with your tax dollars are two completely different things. Don't project your lack of moral principles and/or spine on other people.

Anyone who wants better than a choice between genocide or genocide with a light patch where the BLM sticker used to be must be a tankie.

"Vote blue no matter who" - PUMA PAC alumni.

I don't even know half the horrible things the US is doing. And the EU is doing plenty of messed up stuff too. Same with Asia. So wait, every single person should be in the streets then? What country are you from? Why are you not in the streets?

I don't even know half the horrible things the US is doing.

Why? You have the sum total of humanity's knowledge between your fingertips and you still can't be bothered to at least educate yourself? "I don't give a shit about other people and neither should you" is not the flex you think it is.

So wait, every single person should be in the streets then?

Literally yes. By the way, plenty of people in your own country are marching and organizing against for-profit prisons (aka slavery). As I said above, don't project your own lack of principles on others.

Why are you not in the streets?

Because I'll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?

Proof that leftists don't vote?

You got what you wanted either way.

No they're not.

Anyone using Newsom as an excuse to not vote against fascism is nowhere on the left. Not a liberal, not a leftist, not a progressive.

Newsom signed a bill that cut a lot of services to address the deficit. It didn't "target" any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.

Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.

Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.

Who the hell cares about .ml? Those are actual tankies. You keep throwing that word around, but it's not synonymous with "leftist I don't like." What group are we talking about here, tankies or leftists?

But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left.

I'm telling you to back this up with numbers if you want to be taken seriously.

Bald assertion, repeated with enough frequency. Nothing more.

When we say "Newsom backstabbed homeless people" we're talking more about the making homelessness illegal part.

It didn't "target" any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.

"Everyone I don't like is MAGA" isn't how you make coalitions if you actually care about that (which I doubt). Well too bad, because the very act of cutting services is targeting the state's most vulnerable.

Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.

Tinfoil hat much?

Search them yourself.

"Do your own research" are we?

No shows have won pretty much every elections for decades.

Proof that those no shows are coming from the left?

Because I'll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?

Probably the same reason? Do you think no else stands to lose by sticking their head up?

If they had that to worry about they'd have said so, not made a meaningless and disgusting appeal to normalcy.

Where's your better candidate doing more to beat MAGA?
Where's your hard work to get them through primaries onto the ballot?

Getting more progressives in office doesn't start with "not voting".
It ends with voting for them when you show us a better candidate & get them on the ballot.

So far, the best contender seems to be the only one putting up a real fight.
Show us a better alternative worthy of a coalition, and do the hard work of building that coalition around them.

MAGA did the hard work.
They infiltrated all levels of government, all legislatures, executive posts of several states.
They built coalitions from the bottom up.

The left will need to do at least as much work.

That seems like a pretty massive assumption, you're gonna need to show some evidence for it.

MAGA (and the Tea Party before them) also ripped apart anyone who didn't get on with their program. They didn't say "but we need to unite against the radical left!!!". The left will need to do that too.

The left has two parties fighting against them. maga had (and has) zero parties fighting against them.

Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.

Anyone for whom newsom is acceptable would vote for trump over any progressive. Without hesitation.

Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.

Yeah, we know. It's why your wing of the party is trying so hard to ratfuck Mamdani and Fateh. And why they succeeded in ratfucking David Hogg. It's why they ratfucked Jessica Cisneros, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.

If all college DSA, greens, and such showed up several races could have tipped due to how few Rs showed too…

...and if someone had treated them like constituents instead of hostages, they might have. Democrats consider such behavior beneath them. Who do those children think they are? Dick Cheney?

"Vote blue no matter who" crowd on their way to solely blame (realistically) 50-100k leftists who abstained either due to their views on electorialism or Palestine.

I've seen so much braindead shit online about the loss and "what could be done different", like statistics showing that if only uni educated people voted then Kamala would have won and people supporting this idea, making lists of every leftist who said they wouldn't vote to punish them later or something, prohibiting MAGA voters from voting ever again, etc. These same people then proceed to cry fascism.

"Then they came for the undocumented migrants, because I told them nobody cared about Trans people, and those people have dark skin so they make me uncomfortable"

You keep making claims without offering any sources for them. Like hell we know American voter turnout is low, doubly so for quite a few red states, but that's not enough to back up your claim that it's leftists not voting that's tipping the scale rather than centrists or undecided people. Like you have still offered no proof that leftists aren't showing up.

Uh... literally the other person's replies? What about that makes you think that they're afraid of political repression?

I absolutely answered your question. you just dont like the reality of it. not my problem.