How can one not consider the responsibilities of the USA and more generally of the West in all this...

I'm as much against the US as the next guy but how is it the west's fault that Pakistan is now bombing Afghanistan?

• The Pakistani Airforce dropping the bombs.
• The Pakistani Taliban attacking Pakistan.
• The Taliban allowing the Pakistani Taliban to operate.

You need to go many layers down before it starts being the West's fault.

Either by saying it's the West's fault that Pakistan is now bombing Afghanistan because they retreated and the Taliban took power.

Or by saying it's the West's fault that Pakistan is now bombing Afghanistan because they supported the Mujahideen which eventually led to the collapse of the DRA and the Taliban took power.

Sure there is responsibility, but there are many actors that have way more direct responsibility over this current event before we reach the West.

I've seen this one before

Giving back the power to the Taliban maybe? I think that's a recent event that leads to this.

Either by saying it’s the West’s fault that Pakistan is now bombing Afghanistan because they retreated and the Taliban took power.

Yes but what im asking is why does the west get blamed for Pakistan bombing Afghanistan when:

1. Pakistan bombs Afghanistan.
2. They do this because the Pakistani Taliban attacks them.
3. They can do this because the Taliban supports them
4. The Taliban can support them because they are in power
5. The Taliban is in power because the West lost the war.

We are 5 steps away before we reach the West, yet the West is blamed.

Saying the west "gave" back power to the Taliban is saying like Ukraine gave back Crimea to the Russians.

If you truly want to say the west gave power to the Taliban we would need to go further back.

1. Pakistan bombs Afghanistan.
2. They do this because the Pakistani Taliban attacks them.
3. They can do this because the Taliban supports them
4. The Taliban can support them because they are in power
5. The Taliban is in power because the West lost the war.
6. The west invaded Afghanistan because of Osama Bin Laden
7. Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan because the Taliban gave him safe refuge
8. The Taliban could give him safe refuge because they were in power
9. The Taliban were in power because the DRA collapsed.
10. The DRA Collapsed because the Soviets Withdrew support.
11. The Soviets withdrew support because the Mujahideen was too strong
12. The Mujahideen was strong because the West supported them.

That's 12 steps away before the West causing this. outside of 5, were the West lost the war if you want to blame them for that.

If any of these things acted different this wouldn't have happend.

Why is it only the West that is mentioned?

Way to go Trump! You finally got a problem to solve itself. /rollseyes.

Also that time when Donald Trump just released 5,000 Taliban fighters. Probably a pretty significant factor.

Frankly, it's all the British and Russian Empires' fault.

Afghanistan has basically always been a warzone. The territory there changed hands fairly often, especially after Alexander, centuries before it became the area identified as Afghanistan today.

The feuds between people groups there are from long before "Western nations" were even a thing. Some of them pre-date recorded history. The biggest mistake any Western nation has made is believing they could somehow establish peace by getting involved in conflicts older than Rome. The West can certainly be blamed for being foolish, for meddling, for not really helping in any way... but not for starting the fight. The responsible parties are long dead, their remains crumbled to dust.

If Afghanistan wasn't a Taliban regime it would be a war of Pakistan and Afghanistan vs Taliban. No Kabul bombing.

How can one not consider the responsibilities of the USA and more generally of the West in all this…

I'm sorry that 20 fucking years of fighting the Taliban wasn't enough to satisfy you.

none of that makes it ok for the us to come and make things exponentially worse.

Because everything bad is the West's fault, just like everything bad is men's fault.

And if Pakistan didn't send planes then there would be no Kabul bombing.

If the Pakistani Taliban didn't attack Pakisfan there would be no Kabul Bombing.

If the Taliban didn't support the Pakistani Taliban there would be no Kabul bombing.

The west fought the Taliban for 20 years, how long should they have fought on? 30? 50?

A good place to start is "if the CIA hadn't financed the Taliban..."

the IRA was just the taliban in uniform, anyone who spent any amount of time in that samdbox can confirm that

Yes exponentially worse making sure women could go to school and trying to set up some form of government that the people could have participation in...

Certainly a lot went wrong and a lot was corrupt but "exponentially worse" sounds like an ignorant blanket statement with no basis in reality. The Taliban would've taken over immediately anyhow after the northern alliance fell and brought what's happening today just all the way back in 2001. To me, the Taliban rule is exponentially worse than the resulting years of moderate improvement up til now.

A new war in Afghanistan is a great reminder to change the batteries in your smoke detectors!

my brother, killing and bombing a given population isn't making them any better.

Well it makes Nazis and their ilk better, but it certainly doesn't make them respect women and democracy.

the us should respect their own woman and democracy before worrying about other countries.

Only perfect beings are allowed to criticize others, after all.

Not a justification for invasion unless perhaps at a genocidal level, obviously, though one might ask why it is that, hypothetically, a state might justify invading to liberate workers from capitalist pigs and not women from gender chatteldom.

Afghans use “tribal fundamentalists” and “big fucking mountains”

Its super effective!

You should stop treating people's deaths in other parts of the world as just a tool for your bullshit propaganda.

mostly, except the ones causing most of their problems.

not about perfection, but hypocrisy.