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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
So I’ve been thinking about the whole PSKY winning the bid for WBD situation, plus a ton of other US News sites being owned and controlled by MAGA — and now that PSKY owns massive legacy brands like CNN and platforms like TikTok, it got me wondering: What would it look like if the Fediverse built its own large-scale news station? And I don’t mean news apps (I know things like Flipboard already exist and are experimenting with federation). I mean: A full-on journalism operation that is: Fediverse-first Hosted via PeerTube, Loops, its own website, etc. Producing regular news broadcasts, investigative journalism, live streams, analysis panels, documentaries, etc. Two Possible Models
A structured newsroom: Editors, reporters, correspondents Daily live broadcasts via PeerTube Clip distribution via Loops Federation across Mastodon/Lemmy/Pixelfed Transparent funding (co-op model? public donations? instance-backed?) Essentially: a decentralized alternative to cable news, but not algorithm-driven or corporate-owned.
Think: Independent PeerTubers collaborating Loop creators reporting locally Lemmy communities functioning as distributed editorial desks Citizen journalism amplified through federation This could look more like a decentralized wire service, where stories propagate organically across instances. Alternative Idea: Federated News Aggregator Instead of building from scratch, what if the Fediverse collaborated with existing independent outlets like: World Socialist Web Site Communist.red Mother Jones The Nation Common Dreams The Intercept Jacobin (And many others.) Podcasts: The Deprogram: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/The_Deprogram Revolutionary Left Radio: Guerrilla History: https://guerrillahistory.libsyn.com/ etc YouTubers: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Hakim Second Thought: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Thought YUGOPNIK: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/YUGOPNIK r/TankieTheDeprogram https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/mJqfxpGOYK r/TheDeprogarm https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogarm/s/Re7CYFSaSW Lee Camp-Unredacted Tonight https://youtube.com/@unredactedtonight Chris Hedges https://youtube.com/@chrishedgeschannel Jimmy Dore https://youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow Maybe: A federated aggregator A shared ActivityPub-based publishing layer A “news hub” instance that boosts and categorizes content Or something similar to the federated streaming marketplace idea I suggested before — but for journalism instead of an Amazon Prime alternative https://lemmy.world/post/40697282 Big Questions Would a Fediverse news network increase credibility — or fragment it? How would editorial standards work in a decentralized ecosystem? Could co-op funding sustain professional reporting? Would mainstream journalists ever migrate? Should this aim to compete with centralized media — or complement it? Also: would this risk becoming ideologically siloed? Or would federation naturally diversify perspectives? Curious what everyone thinks. Is this unrealistic? Inevitable? Already quietly happening? Link to same post, but on Reddit: |
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Greg Clarke
lemmy.ca
Greg@lemmy.caJoined: 2022-11-09 |
It would have a lot of beans |
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webghost0101
sopuli.xyz
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-07-20 |
Existing independent organisations is probably the only realistic one of these. Creating an actually competent news agency build from scratch takes a lot of work resources, making it dependent on the fediverse seems like an arbitrary limitation. But freelancers and existing networks starting to work with the fediverse because our ideals match, that could definitely happen. |
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Parodper
foros.fediverso.gal
Parodper@foros.fediverso.gal Joined: 2023-01-08 |
Why do you need a fediverse for this? The issue with the media isn't where to host things, it's how to pay your writers. |
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it_depends_man
lemmy.world
it_depends_man@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-19 |
Sure would be neat, but it always comes down to funding. Ads? No thanks, I'm here bcause the fediverse is not doing that. ... and content. Can you be super fast and exclusive and sell that? not really, all the super fast stuff is delivered by random people who witness things, or press releases that are piped directly into the feed anyway. Can you be super high quality and sell that? That's just a regular website and people haven't believed in "it's a website, it'll make money for sure", since 1999 |
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MammyWhammy
lemmy.ml
MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-02 |
I like the concept. I don't know how it would work in practice. I think it would ultimately end up fragmented, especially when funding gets involved. Who makes the decision for what gets funded? What is that decision process? I think there will be space for a community funded news non-profit, but also I think NPR is already primed to fill that void. I think an aggregated approach is more "Fediverse" like. But once again, who decides what does/doesn't get published? I think if those decisions and how they're made are transparent, that would increase credibility, but it would end up being silo'ed because people like to read/watch things that they already agree with. As I said earlier, I think PBS & NPR are primed to take on this kind of role. |
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mesa
piefed.social
mesamunefire@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-12-27 |
It would have a lot of beans
Could be the title of the news. "TheBeans" |
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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
I like the concept. I don't know how it would work in practice. I think it would ultimately end up fragmented, especially when funding gets involved. Who makes the decision for what gets funded? What is that decision process? I think there will be space for a community funded news non-profit, but also I think NPR is already primed to fill that void. I think an aggregated approach is more "Fediv...
What I was thinking was something similar to how Lemmy operates. You just take the already existing websites / platforms, use some code to connect them to together, and let users create their own apps Basically just take Lemmy, but replace the instances with News Websites If a website gets too egregious, then the others could potentially vote to have their access revoked |
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James R Kirk
startrek.website
Kirk@startrek.websiteJoined: 2025-03-01 Banned |
I think 404 Media publishes on Ghost which uses activitypub. |
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geneva_convenience
lemmy.ml
geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
Just FYI you probably want Majority Report and Jacobin out of that list. They are imperialist Liberals. |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
I think 404 Media publishes on Ghost which uses activitypub.
Interesting.
Edit to add: WordPress is another possibility through their ActivityPub plugin, but AFAIK it doesn’t support communities/groups, either. Edit again to add: 404’s premium/paywalled articles don’t seem to get published to their @feed@404media.co user account, but they do to their @404mediaco@mastodon.social user account. Not the entire article mind you, just a summary and an external link. |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
Sure would be neat, but it always comes down to funding. Ads? No thanks, I'm here bcause the fediverse is not doing that. ... and content. Can you be super fast and exclusive and sell that? not really, all the super fast stuff is delivered by random people who witness things, or press releases that are piped directly into the feed anyway. Can you be super high quality and sell that? That's just...
Some publishers do it for free or rely solely on donations. It’s hard for me to imagine a payment system—never mind a paywall system—being built into a fediverse platform. Donations would probably have to be out-of-band, through existing platforms like Ko-fi & Liberapay. |
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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
Sure would be neat, but it always comes down to funding. Some publishers do it for free or rely solely on donations. It’s hard for me to imagine a payment system—never mind a paywall system—being built into a fediverse platform. Donations would probably have to be out-of-band, through existing platforms like Ko-fi & Liberapay.
There's also apparently Crowdbucks |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
There's also apparently Crowdbucks https://wedistribute.org/2025/08/introducing-crowdbucks/
Yeah there are many of them. Patreon is big, but I’ve heard nothing but bad things about it from donees. |
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mnemonicmonkeys
sh.itjust.works
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Could be the title of the news. "TheBeans"
Only if its our version of The Onion |
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Auster
thebrainbin.org
Auster@thebrainbin.orgJoined: 2024-10-28 |
If the proposal is to avoid MAGA, do note ActivityPub is an open protocol, so anyone can join the network. Also iirc BBC has a Mastodon instance, though I didn't check further. And there are a few journalism-oriented Peertube channels, though most I could find are related to technology. Also found out recently Gazeta do Povo (Brazilian news media) made a Bluesky account. Bluesky is kinda far when talking about "fediverse", but I guess it counts since AT Protocol is a form of content federation? |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
If the proposal is to avoid MAGA, do note ActivityPub is an open protocol, so anyone can join the network. Also iirc BBC has a Mastodon instance, though I didn't check further. And there are a few journalism-oriented Peertube channels, though most I could find are related to technology. Also found out recently Gazeta do Povo (Brazilian news media) made a Bluesky account. Bluesky is kinda far wh...
Anyone can be booted off the network as well, either by banning them individually or by instance. |
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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
Yeah there are many of them. Patreon is big, but I’ve heard nothing but bad things about it from donees.
I think that CB is attempting to become a wrapper for all of them. Ie you could use CB to pay using crypto, or Stripe, Apple/Google Pay, SAMSUNG Wallet, or etc |
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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
I think 404 Media publishes on Ghost which uses activitypub.
Apparently there is also We Distribute, we're basically a Fediverse news blog. Connected Places also does a lot of Fediverse / Bluesky reporting. |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
I think that CB is attempting to become a wrapper for all of them. Ie you could use CB to pay using crypto, or Stripe, Apple/Google Pay, SAMSUNG Wallet, or etc
Oh. Hosting videos is very expensive, so if anything needs a solution, it’s PeerTube. |
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Dessalines
lemmy.ml
dessalines@lemmy.mlJoined: 2019-04-17 |
Lots of good ideas in here. A lot of this could be done with a lemmy community (possibly with mod-post only turned on), appointing reporters / writers as moderators, posting peertube links for videos, using pinned threads for bigger stories, etc. |
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FreudianCafe
lemmy.ml
FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-02-05 |
Get rid of the Dem party influence too |
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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
Oh. Hosting videos is very expensive, so if anything needs a solution, it’s PeerTube.
Don't forget about Loops |
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mnemonicmonkeys
sh.itjust.works
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-17 |
If the proposal is to avoid MAGA, do note ActivityPub is an open protocol, so anyone can join the network. Anyone can be booted off the network as well, either by banning them individually or by instance.
You literally can't boot them off the network. All you can do is isolate them on an instance-by-instance basis. I don't know if you haven't realized this, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear have been defederated by pretty much every other instance except for Lemmy.ml, and they're still kicking. Hell the only reason Lemmy.ml isn't more widely defederated is because it's the devs' test instance |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
You literally can't boot them off the network. All you can do is isolate them on an instance-by-instance basis. I don't know if you haven't realized this, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear have been defederated by pretty much every other instance except for Lemmy.ml, and they're still kicking. Hell the only reason Lemmy.ml isn't more widely defederated is because it's the devs' test instance
I’m very aware. It hardly matters that fascists will run their own Nazi bar instances, because even if we could prevent it, they’d just use some other online social platform. It’s not a problem that can or need be solved. |
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