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Where is the CEO of Israel? I just want to talk

@tastemyglaive He asked him where... not me.

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Why has the sea changed colour? If it's because the pics use different levels of saturation to highlight the difference, we really shouldn't be stooping to these levels when the difference is stark enough as it is.

Excellent username btw 😁

I beg to differ: when showcasing ACTUAL undeniable atrocities of colossal scale, subtlety or fairness in editing are not only unnecessary, but inadvisable.

Making it as obvious as possible is the goal here and what amounts to the equivalent of an Instagram filter change is DEFINITELY justified in the pursuit of conveying the greater truth.

Israel is about 47% Jewish as of a recent poll, and that is about 41% of the global Jewish population.
I have seen polling saying that roughly 50% of Israel supports the genocide.

So here we have roughly 20% (plus everyone outside of Israel who supports this insanity) of a major world religion who are gleefully in support of genocide. I would imagine the percentage who support the settlements expansions and all the violence around that is much higher.

My hatred of religion has swelled recently. It truly makes me believe you are a defective human being and that none of your other thoughts have any merit. I'm wholly uninterested in hearing swill from the mouths of people so hypocritical to their very core.

Edit: my brain did a stupid and my math was bad. Turns out it's a little worse than I had said. Thank you @AeonFelis@lemmy.world

Are you aware that the sea actually does change color everywhere around the world depending on time of year and myriad of factors? Not discounting the amount of dust being blown into it from the RUINED CITY THAT WAS ONCE TEAMING WITH LIFE.

IDK MAN, MAYBE SEAWATER CHANGES COLOR WHEN MIXED WITH THE ASHES OF 200,000 CHILDREN.

Zionism is not Judaism. See Antisemitism, Weaponized.

Christianity isn't gay and trans hate.

White supremacy isn't black hate.

At what point in history have religions benefited humanity? I have only ever seen countless wars and genocides on behalf of it. When does it get to the part where we help the unfortunate?

Judaism isn't Zionism, it just fostered and fomented it.

The same as white supremacy was fostered by Christianity.

I can hate the cause of problems as well as the problems themselves. It's not my fault or problem you can't connect the dots.

Some people are in so much pain because of a difficult life that they have nothing else. Those people should be allowed to keep their religion. If it gives them comfort during dark times, and it's not hurting anyone, then I am in full support of them keeping it.

And I wouldn't want anyone deciding my religion for me. What right do I have to do it to someone else?

They wouldn't have done this without the unconditional support of the USA under both Biden and Trump

@PanArab P L You're right... Israel is America's spoiled child.

Christianity isn't gay and trans hate.

That's correct, gay and trans hate come from conservatism

White supremacy isn't black hate.

That's not correct, it stems from justifying chattel slavery

At what point in history have religions benefited humanity? I have only ever seen countless wars and genocides on behalf of it. When does it get to the part where we help the unfortunate?

Religion itself has benefitted countless people, from promoting general welfare to giving solace to those who experience the death of loved ones.

Wars and genocides don't happen because of religion. They happen because of resource accumulation, otherwise known as primitive accumulation prior to the rise of capital accumulation. Religion is co-opted by the powers-at-be as a galvanizing force. Christianity wasn't the cause of the crusades, European powers aim to acquire the riches of the middle east was.

You're showing a reactionary attitude towards religion. I've seen reactionary atheists have just as violent attitudes as what they claim to oppose, justifying islamphobia or antisemitism as simply anti-religion, or even going as far are justifying nuking the middle east.

Judaism isn't Zionism, it just fostered and fomented it.

Also not true, Zionism has roots in secularism. It is a fascist project. The religious aspect was wielded only as much as it's usefulness for convincing more people to join the project. Additionally, the vast majority of Zionists are Christian Zionists. Same with Christian nationalism, it is the Conservatism that is the root of the violence and hate, not the religion. In fact, they intentionally ignore every aspect of the religion that is incongruent with their fascist aims.

The same as white supremacy was fostered by Christianity.

Again you've got it backwards, white supremacists twisted religion to justify their white supremacy. In fact white supremacy is more rooted in scientific racism. Which was again, used to justify chattel slavery and the eradication of the 'subhuman' natives.

I can hate the cause of problems as well as the problems themselves. It's not my fault or problem you can't connect the dots.

Except you're not genuinely interested in the root cause. You're just generalizing it as religion itself out of a reactionary attitude.

Christianity isn't gay or trans hate. White supremacy is non-white hate. The dots you're connecting are different pictures. Actual Christians are followers of a brown dude. That's not a True Scotsman fallacy, it's just definitional, coming from an "unborn" atheist, if you will.

The photos might be from different sensors/cameras. You can also notice that the second seems to have a different lens angle of view.

But why not use images taken with the same instrument at the exactly the same time of the year? Because we don't have availability! Companies like maxar definitely have standardized high resolution aerial images from the entire world at regular intervals, but these images aren't free to the public, so we have to do with what we have available.

If skeptical, you can use google earth to see some high resolution historical images of the place, or you can grab some lower-resolution images from copernicus

America is Israel's bitch.

As an agnostic/likely atheist, there's a difference between religion and extremism. People can be religious without wanting to murder those who don't believe the same things as they do, just like an atheist could still be a political extremist.

I said those first two lines mockingly. They are both the same exact thing. Just because you personally don't participate in the lynching doesn't mean it's not done by your group. When that group performs all of its "good deeds" with the express purpose of whitewashing the bad and expanding the reach of its power structure, I don't take it at face value. They aren't even separate dots. It's just already a straight line

There is a difference but most people do not make the distinction and dedicate their lives to upholding the power structures of extremist factions of their religions instead of speaking out and changing denominations to one that doesn't trade in human suffering.

I think that's mistaking the forest for the trees (I know that's sort of backward for the metaphor)

I 100% deny these mongrel's claims to be Christians on a purely conceptual level. Put 100 molesting "cross dressers" in a room with a couple trans folk and I'm not going to think they're the same.

Ok but this is what Christian society has allowed and secreted away and in many cases (outside molestation) they have celebrated their atrocities. These are the leaders of Christian faith. For centuries. At what point will "real" Christians take power of their group, do you think?

Don't confuse the dog and it's master. Yankees don't get to claim "pissrahell made me do it", it's yank bombs, yank guns.

blaming religion for pissraels crime is like blaming christianity for the colonisation of americas. It's a tool used, not the root cause.

I strongly disagree.

Honestly not sure, and that is a really good point. I do think there are enough people out there who call themselves Christians and explicitly reject the nonsense, but maybe that group is thinning like my own disillusionment.

If they change to be unitarians or something the. I don't really have a problem with them. I still dislike religions in general but if you are actively distancing yourself from the evils, it's fine. Unfortunately, the excuse of "well my daddy and granddaddy were Catholics so I have to be too" attitude keeps people entrenched within the groups who love doing evil.

That being said, the last two popes have been a pleasant surprise change in tone.

I will say I always end up back at "the institution is the problem" (can you guess I grew up protestant?) but I agree on the popes being a good trend. What you've brought up makes me wonder the power of calling yourself Christian the "loudest" or with the most influence, even while being directly unchristian. That sort of co-opting is almost inevitable.

Ok? Any particular reason? How does religion manifest all the hardware and political machinery necessary to commit these heinous crimes? It seems to me that capitalism, colonialism, imperialism all have the means to do so but religous institution no longer do. Hell you'd have more of an argument about "religion" being behind genocide back when the Vatican was a major political player.

Please look for the sources of these evils objectively and not through redditisms. Here is a good video by someone in the skeptic community explaining how imperialists use religion to further their colonial agenda (I know! an actually rational skeptic, no misogyny or islamophobia detected!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE

Liberalism did this.

You don't have the be a cardinal in the Catholic church to be perpetuating and influenced/controlled by the religious institutions oppression.

People in the same in group work towards the same goals. When those goals are all filtered through the lens of the in group being gods favorite people, it taints every thought from that foundation upwards.

So you actually believe that Satansyahoo and the settler elite are doing this because they are very devout jews and they would stop if they weren't? I'd urge you to watch the video, it's very illuminating

I believe they believe they are.

I am not so sure about this, very strong guns don't kill people vibes.

Their holy book literally commands them to kill all these people on this specific land

Why not blame Christians? Are you aware of what the Catholic Spaniards did in the Americas? It was REVOLTING.

Just one example of many

Abrahamic religions deserve all of the blame they get and more

Ok? Any particular reason? How does religion manifest all the hardware and political machinery necessary to commit these heinous crimes?

Are you unaware that religion is the bedrock of colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism? And that they wield an immense amount of power today?

The Catholic church owns 177 million acres of land today, more than any other organization on Earth. Untold unfathomable wealth is at their command. And you don't think the Vatican is a major political power?

Please realize this is not a redditism, it's a fact; even this one sect alone has unbelievable power.

It's more subtle than it used to be pre Reformation, and that fools a lot of people. Don't be one of them.

Too kind, I think a Blizzard game reference comes off a bit corny

Sometimes corny is good 😁

Blame the christians absolutely, but recognize that the primary motor behind colonisation was not religion but accumulation of capital. There was no such drive among armenian christians, egyptian christians etc. Religion is a powerful tool to control the exploited, but not the cause of colonialism. Like the wheels don't power the car but are essential for it's movement. There are also other uses for wheels, but there is only one use for a car motor.

I'm not aware of any such passage.

They don't. Otherwise the myriad of other christians would have started the same thing. Where are the ethiopian colonies? Druze imperialism?

Israel is about 47% Jewish as of a recent poll, and that is about 41% of the global Jewish population.

So roughly 19% ...

Explain the math please. I understand that 47% times 41% is roughly 19% - but why did you multiply these numbers?

Christians are mass rapist and murderers throughout history.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/08/ethiopia-troops-and-militia-rape-abduct-women-and-girls-in-tigray-conflict-new-report/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwygrnjz9wro

Yeah, looks like a lot of murder, rape, and killing just like every Christian nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_colonialism

Needless to say Christianity has always been spread by the sword. My ancestors were forced to convert or die.

But look at this worn torn country of death and rape! See Christianity isn't that bad.

Are you unaware that religion is the bedrock of colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism?

completely, especially after liberalisms enlightenment philosophers and the rise of rationalism culminating in the french revolution. I'm not denying the western church is very powerful but it's not what it once was. Please watch the video it talks about the rise of evangelical christianity in latam by the cia to further imperialism and how a lot of catholics in latam were actually an active obstacle to imperialism.

That should be roughly the percent of Jews worldwide who support it. I don't have data outside of Israel so that number will be higher than 19% but it's a vague lower limit.

Unless my math brain is failing me.

most ignorant lib of the day award please readsettlers.org

Yes, you are ignorant of the damage Christianity has done. How many gays in Africa have Christians butchered at the request of US Evangelicals.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/

The list goes on and on. Truly ignorance must be bliss on your part.

But your first paragraph presents no data about the support for Israel's actions. The two numbers you wrote there are:

• The percentage of Jewish people in Israel (which, BTW - seems awfully low - so maybe you've mislabeled the number?)
• The percentage of Israeli among the global Jewish population.

you dont get the point. 90% Jews support the existence of israel, thats equivalent to 90% muslims supporting ISIS, now tell me what wouldve been west's response had 90% muslims supported ISIS? they wrecked havoc despite not even 1% muslims supporting that thing.

Jewish community has something very wrong going on with them and this has resulted into increase in anti semitism.