Holly Molly, guacamole.

Fucking noob... a lot of big talk, but didn't leave the basement of his house.

Only idiots brain rotted by Iranian propaganda would be upset by that asshole's death.

The guy executed something like 30K people in the last month. What kind of shit person supports a guy like that?

INB4 WHATABOUT WHATABOUT WHATABOUT

+1...or chokes on a fish.

It is routinely claimed that the 'tankman' was killed by the tank right after the clip that is usually shown ends. The full video shows that he left along with others who convinced him to leave. You might not be making that claim, but that was what the anti-chinese propaganda claimed for decades.

The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the massacre in fact happened. What exists in video form is a man standing in front of a tank and then NOT being killed. Despite many many lies sugfesting otherwise. It seems like you don't participate in that particular lie, while still uncritically accepting the rest of the narrative. Perhaps if one major detail of the story is false other details of the story are also false? i guess we'll just have to trust that the same three-letter agencies who have every reason and motive to undermine chinese sovereignty are in this particular case trustworthy.

I mention the burning to death of unarmed police to illustrate to you which side was the more violent and unrestrained. Violence which is characteristic of foreign regime-change operations and hybrid warfare.

I want to defund the police and reform the organisation to serve the people, there's enough room within this worldview to not be burning cops alive (and i must stress again that they were not armed with lethal force).

You say that you aren't a normie but then uncritically accept an obviously distorted version of history which has been constructed to serve western imperial interests.

Maybe you're an operator who does actually know the truth but lies about it professionally. In that case i'm sorry for inaccurately describing you as a normie, when really you would be a glowie.

but just in case you are actually just a normie in denial here's a thing to read

it's more than simple bias, larry sanger knows that and i suspect that you do as well.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-israel-activists-blacklist-mintpress-wikipedia/261022/

Socialists do not support any form of capitalism..

Oh sorry I thought everyone's already seen this one before.

You forgot Bibi but he’s worse than the others

Some people are just so anti-USA and anti-israel that they can't see further than "USA and Jews bad, everyone else good".

A result of UK/US interference prior to the shah which led to islamic revolution.

You got the timeline wrong there. The US installed the Shah in the 50s, after destroying Iran's democratic leftist government. Then in the 70s, the Iranian people rose up and removed the Shah. Almost immediately, though, the revolution was hijacked by fundamentalist clerics.

When the revolutionary government was put under pressure by an invasion from Saddam Hussein on behalf of George Bush Snr, which killed millions, that allowed the Revolutionary Guard to consolidate power, and become the brutally repressive government we see today.

Tankie means someone who sometimes defends socialist authoritarian governments because they oppose the capitalist authoritarian governments.

They(we, sometimes, it's complicated) have a tendency to forgive the crimes of those socialist governments. Sometimes this is justified, because the accusations are false, invented by capitalist media as propaganda.

However, sometimes it's because we want to believe that the opposition to capitalism is always good and decent, when the truth is muddy and rather unpleasant: both sides suck in their own special ways, and you shouldn't put anyone on a pedestal.

Here in the fediverse, anarchist leftists or left-libs are the norm, so we tankies get dogpiled pretty often. A pox on all hierarchical governments seems to be the way here.

Like you would know

Iranians outside Iran hate their country like the Cubans of Florida do. You can't trust anything they say.

You would understand better if the Jews had killed the pope and were dancing in the streets and Zionist media were labeling him a murdering paedophile who deserved to die.

Supporting Putin in the name of communism is the funniest thing tankies do, imo.

Yeah, clearly the ones still in Iran absolutely loved him. To the point where they recently went out to the streets to show their support, right?

Yup.

He was a brutal fucking bastard... however, he was also 86 and had cancer. Maybe we could have waited 6 months and saved a lot of money and a lot of lives. Dude was going to die soon anyway.

Have you not learned from Iraq? There is always another mullah. Al Quida was replaced by ISIS. WTF are we involved with the ME anymore? I mean, all those ME nations bombed by Iran, who encouraged the US to enter this (besides our welfare state Israel), well where are their fucking militaries? I guess they paid the Trump family off and felt they had hired their military of the US so our sons and daughters can die for those MFs. Need I remind people we send Israel over 3.8 Billion every year from our tax dollars? so... USAID and VOA does not deserve our few millions but Benji gets the billions and more in crisis and now American deaths. For those that cite 19 fucking 79 hostages... understand, our enlisted were not even born yet. They have no memory of that. Also... most were not even born by 1983 either. And the fact is, the federal military policy allowed that shit to happen.

I mean, it put back the progress on an even more terrorist regime getting nuclear weapons

He was going to die anyway. Why spend blood and treasure to murder a man who is 86 with a cancer diagnosis? Is critical thinking absent in our Pentagon? Yeah, lets get rid of this mullah... there are over a hundred other mullahs to take over for him. This is an established regime that has been in place for 50 years. 1 in 8 citizens in Iran work for the government... over 94 million population.

I think if he died of cancer, the Iranian people wouldn't celebrate as hard as they do right now.

Which is idiotic. I'm an anarchist for example.

Nah, try listening to Iranians. They love that he got exploded.

Conflating Israel and Jews is called antisemitism. If someone is just anti-Israel, they don't become antisemitic from that (but it sure invites a lot of antisemites who smell a possible convert)

make-up religion

You're getting tautological here mate.

thanks updated, when I say sth is X years ago I generally start counting from 2000 lol.

There is no what abouts. I am glad he is dead. But I am also sorry Iranian people have been suffering at the hands of Russia, USA and Israel for the better part of the last century. Netanyahu, Putin, Trump are no different than him in terms of how merciless and inhumane they can be.

Nobody's complaining about his death here. But everybody should be worried about this new trend of Trump deciding who's deemed fit to rule and who's not.

Waited for what? A next bastard would take his place. This time, however, there is a real chance things could drastically improve for people of Iran

EDIT: Nevermind lol

Ha! Same here.

They were protesting the collapse of the currency which was engineered by the Americans. Scott Besant openly admitted this on TV.

https://youtu.be/HDB2SDdzoX8

Mossad then instigated violence to encourage state repression to give Trump a justification for launching air strikes. Pompeo even tweeted about their role in the riots.

https://the307.substack.com/p/why-is-mike-pompeo-and-the-mossad

Millions of people.have in fact gone out into the streets in support of the government, especially since the murder of the Supreme Leader but this has ZERO coverage in Zionist media.

There's a difference between supporting capitalism, and understanding that we currently live in a capitalistic world order and in order to make change we need to work within the systems and settle for incremental progress.

Sure they were! Nothing happening over there had anything to do with the women that were kidnapped, raped, and/or killed in the custody of the Guidance Patrol! Everybody celebrated these as beautiful moments of religious expression!

I have been active with my local antiwar org since the 1980s. It never fucking ends. But when the stupid people elect a felon.. what did we expect?

Some asshole on one of the forums I frequent stated that there was questionable information about the school. I responded that there was questionable information regarding his ethics and partisanship and I not only got blocked but my response was rejected... perhaps 'CULT' is a trigger word?

I hate the regime in Iran. I have a dear friend who was victimized by it. But also hate Benji N's Israel and D. Trump and most of the ME surrounding who have done nothing for decades to control Iran. Oh noes! We have no ideas and no strategy so lets just send the Trump family a lot of money!

Fact is that Ayatollah was 86 and had cancer... he was going to die anyway probably in the next 5 years. We didn't have to engineer 30K protesters murdered and 150 schoolgirls killed along with him and his wife. We could have been patient, like the Chinese. After all, it is not like Iran has a shortage of mullahs.

in 1979 the US placed Shah, who looted Iran was ousted. Now we are supposed to champion his son to rule? Some Nepo baby? This administration is straight up incompetent and globally dangerous.

Yep, it's a problem that existed, but should have been taken care of in the ME by the ME...not the usa and sure as fuck not by Israel or trump.

First of all, eww, don't speak so casually about death. And no, lol, the only ones saying that are expats living in the West, of course. 😅

Democratic Socialism has no ethical end game. It's a compromise with the ruling class remaining the ruling class. It's a slightly lesser evil, but still evil. It's just another liberal hangout.

The end game is incremental progress by working within the systems that are in place to achieve gradual change.

It's not about compromising with the ruling class. If any DemSoc is going about it that way, they're doing it wrong.

Mamdani is doing great things for New York, none of which would be happening if because of some ideological purism he decided to stay home and be a keyboard warrior instead of getting into politics.

i expect people to organize, protest, set up mutual aids, and resist.

You're quite rude. It would do liberals a lot of good to read some theory. They'd understand what the "tankies" are talking about rather than dismissing them as lunatics.

The best of the Democratic Socialist countries are still ran by child murdering shitbags. They're probably gearing up to bomb schools alongside the US.

What did I say that was rude?

Also, you're assuming I'm a liberal and that I haven't read leftist theory. I understand what tankies are talking about enough to engage with it critically, which is apparently more than they do.

The best of the Democratic Socialist countries are still ran by child murdering shitbags

Do you mean Social Democracy countries? Because Democratic Socialism is a political party or persuasion, not a political system in its own right. What country is exclusively Democratic Socialist?

There are countries that are Social Democracies, and most of them have some of the best human rights track records out of all modern nations.

But if you want to cherrypick the most egregious examples of western nations and lump every western nation in with them under some collective guilt, while ignoring the infractions, crimes, and atrocities of all the non-western and anti-western countries, then I suppose you could make the argument that Social Democracies are baby murderers. It wouldn't be a very good argument, but that just describes the layers of distortion you would have to put it through to reach that conclusion.

But keep blaming the Nordic model for the crimes of the US, I'm sure that strategy will convince somebody, just not me.

Oh and by the way, do you want to mention the millions of deaths under Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? Since apparently you're juxtaposing "true" leftism against all the inferior or "untrue" leftisms as some sort of harbinger of moral superiority and respect for human lives?

Do you mean Social Democracy countries? Because Democratic Socialism is a political party or persuasion, not a political system in its own right. What country is exclusively Democratic Socialist?

A political party or persuasion? Which is it? It seems you don't exactly have a clear idea on what it is. It is absolutely an ideology. Though it would like socialism, it prioritizes compromising with capitalism, much like social democracy. Is it really even worth trying to distinguish between the two?

But keep blaming the Nordic model for the crimes of the US, I’m sure that strategy will convince somebody, just not me.

The majority of Nordic countries are part of NATO. It's a nasty terrorist organization.

Oh and by the way, do you want to mention the millions of deaths under Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? Since apparently you’re juxtaposing “true” leftism against all the inferior or “untrue” leftisms as some sort of harbinger of moral superiority and respect for human lives?

You pretend to be progressive, but fail to see true progressivism. I'm guessing you're talking deaths due to famine, which were the majority of the deaths under those leaders, but conditions improved due to those leaders, and the people of course. Socialism is all about the collective. The role of the dictator of the proletariat is to keep the capitalists from returning to power, not oppress the people. You claim to not be a liberal, but you're sure coming off as one, rude like one as well. Millions die due to capitalism every year. I'm not sure why you're not bringing that up as well. Also, do note that you're now defending capitalism. Not a real progressive thing to do.

Political parties are based on commonalities of persuasion. Democratic Socialism is primarily a political persuasion, but there are some countries with Democratic Socialist parties, which are obviously based on the persuasion. It wasn't unclear, unless you're deliberately trying to muddy the waters.

Both of those things are different from a political system, though. Social Democracies can have multiple political parties of various persuasions, because Social Democracy itself isn't an individual party but a whole system within which various parties interact. There are social democratic parties, based on the goal of implementing policies that resemble how a social democracy would run.

The majority of Nordic countries are part of NATO. It's a nasty terrorist organization.

Fucking vatnik.

You pretend to be progressive, but fail to see true progressivism.

Oh, so I guess "true progressivism" is Lenin ordering the Bolsheviks to assassinate all the Soviet leadership and replace them with sycophantic puppets because... he lost an election to them?

Millions die due to capitalism every year

I never denied that, and I don't support capitalism.

I'm not sure why you're not bringing that up as well.

Way to flip the fucking script. I brought up the deaths under Lenin et al as a response to you failing to mention them while pointing out the supposed deaths Social Democracy is allegedly responsible for. I even acknowledged that some western countries have committed war crimes, but I guess you'll just breeze over anything that doesn't reinforce your predetermined narrative?

Also, do note that you're now defending capitalism.

I didn't do that, but believe it or not I can be against bolshevism and capitalism. Not everyone is trapped in your narrow, campist worldview.

The NATO supporting anti-capitalist. Meh. You're a lost cause. I'm quite alright. I have better things to do than speak with a future fascist.

A nuanced answer. Thank you. Those are rare.